Good luck to Rodgers.

That really sucks.

 

I think it was obvious by his outburst on the sideline during the season that Odrick wasn't happy with Coyle as the DC. In the past though, he has commented that he thought Rodgers was an outstanding DL coach.

I have no idea if the Jets will be looking for anther defensive lineman in free agency, but they have plenty of cap room and if they decide to add another player for their defensive line, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see Oldrick in a Jets uniform next season.

 

From my limited understanding, that's the one position they're pretty set at.

 

They can have Odrick... he's just like Philbin... mediocre..

 

Either his contract was up with Miami, or Miami gave him permission to make what is considered a lateral move. Hopefully it was the former, because if it was the latter it comes across as more stupidity by the Dolphins.

 

I agree. I was just hoping the Jets would waste some of their cap money overpaying him so the Dolphins don't overpay him in an attempt to bring him back next year.

I have always thought Oldrick was a mediocre player and he isn't someone I would want them building this defense around for the future.

 

OK, I'll bite. How is DL coach to defensive coordinator considered a lateral move?

 

Since he was hired to be the Jets DC, it isn't considered a lateral move. Coordinator positions are considered promotions for position coaches and I really don't think the Dolphins could have prevented him from taking a position which is a promotion from his position as the DL coach of the Dolphins.

 

I disapprove. But I don't have a vote, so.


My two cents via iPhone.

 

By firing Coyle and promoting Rodgers we could have kept Rodgers. Bowles was probably the hottest DC in football, even ahead of Dan Quinn. Bowles coached one of the best defenses with their two best players missing in Daryl Washington and Darnell Dockett. Bowles's interest in Rodgers should have been enough to consider promoting him over Coyle considering how good a DC Bowles was. Now we're stuck with Kevin Coyle and need an adequate replacement because if the D-Line gets worse coaching I don't want to see what Coyle is going to do.

 

I don't what the rules are but I think this would be more do we want to be ***** or do we not want to be ***** rather than a smart/stupid thing. If we do block our guys from looking at promotions are we creating a good work environment, is this the best way to get the most out of positional coaches?

 

This is all well and good, but that ship sailed a week ago. The moment Philbin decided to retain the services of Coyle, there was nothing Miami could do to stop Rodgers from taking a promotion with the Jets.

 

Colossal **** up with this move. We will regret this decision. Just ridiculous.

 

Maybe Rodgers did not accept a potential promotion given the circumstances surrounding the coaching staff?

It's all well and good to say, "promote/hire so and so coach," but if they do not accept, there should be no hard feelings if the attempt was made by the team.

Now the question becomes: did they attempt at hiring another coach? I think it is a real possibility that they tried and failed given the coincidental time it took for the team to officially come out and say Coyle will be the DC in '15 and the time all of these coaches were available for hire.

 

I've read this before but just briefly googling, taking a coordinator job from a lower assistant is NOT considered a promotion and would require our permission. Apparently it's only to head coaches and GMs that u can just leave.

http://www.prostarcoaching.net/library/NFL_Contact_Rules.pdf

But anyways, I've heard Omar talk at least a year ago if not more that Kacy Rodgers would be Todd Bowles DC if the opportunity arose. His son was playing at UM and has since finished. Can't blame him, why would he want to stay here? The staff will get fired if we don't make the playoffs again whereas with a new coach, he should get the normal 3 years of job security.

 

Kacy Rodgers never coached at Holy Cross, Fordham, and/or the Ivy League so you know Philbin didn't really care to keep him.

 

Blocking him would be a colossal dick move, too.

You can't say to Rodgers "Sorry, they'll be other opportunities". He's a 20-year defensive line coach with no experience teaching or implementing anything coverage-related. He was not going to get hired to develop and install his own defense. Having a defensive colleague become a head coach hire him to assist him in running their scheme was pretty much his only plausible career path, and that happening again isn't all that likely.

 

After 20 years I think you'd pick something up. Dan Quinn is one of the hottest HC candidates and he started off as a 20 year defensive line coach before being DC at Florida for a day and being hired as a DC in the NFL. That's pretty much Kacy Rodgers's path right there.

 

He was a DC earlier in his career in college, and even then, it's a kind of similar situation. A head coach whom has his own scheme and is totally capable of running it hired a guy he was familiar with to help him, rather than to hire a guy to do his own thing.

 

The right thing to do is to NOT hold guys back from promotions...nearly all teams do this. We didn't 'let' him go so much as he asked to be released to join his compadre Todd Bowles in NY.... I think it was a classy thing to do... That doesn't mean I wouldn't rather him be here as DC instead of Coyle, but they never considered dumping Coyle (IMHO). If an organization does crappy things to their staff, it'll come back to bite them in the future... We are wallowed in mediocrity right now, but that doesn't mean we will always be, so it's important to make the organization likable to guys in the future...

 

It's only a big loss if his replacement can't do a good job. I'm going to stay optimistic.

 

It did not used to be that way, but sometime in the past few years they changed it, according to what I read in this forum, posted by someone I considered reliable. Unless a coach is going to be an asst head coach, (or of course a head coach) at his destination team, it is not considered a promotion for the purposes of hiring a coach from another team who is currently under contract. Position coaches and coordinators are considered equal in this regard and a lateral move. The current team would have to agree to allow the coach to get out of his contract.

 

It did not used to be that way, but sometime in the past few years they changed it, according to what I read in this forum, posted by someone I considered reliable. Unless a coach is going to be an asst head coach, (or of course a head coach) at his destination team, it is not considered a promotion for the purposes of hiring a coach from another team who is currently under contract. Position coaches and coordinators are considered equal in this regard and a lateral move. The current team would have to agree to allow the coach to get out of his contract.

 

That could be. Some teams allow a coach out of his contract to make such a move but not all of them do.
Here is an example:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...b-chudzinski-interview-for-oc-jobs-elsewhere/

The Colts won't let Chudzinski, who is not a coordinator, interview for vacant coordinator positions elsewhere while under contract. However, his contract expires on Monday, and after that they cannot stop him. They were apparently hoping the teams needing a coordinator that have an interest in Chud, would not want to wait, and all those OC spots would be filled by Monday. Then they could retain him in his current role.

 

Exactly! Thank you. This is what I was talking about. Now all of you who said I was wrong, can tell me how damned sorry you are. :shifty: