define dominant? why hasn't jake long been dominant?

 

to me its because he still plays a lttle stiff in the hips when trying to protect against the outside rusher, especially speed rushers
other than that he is dominant

 

We agree on everything but 05, 06, 07.

In 05 I wanted Ronnie and we got him.
In 06 I wanted Manny Lawson, we got Jason Allen.
In 07 I wanted Brady Quinn badly, I won't lie. Got Ginn.

 

I can't remember who I wanted in 04 but I can tell you I wanted 05+

05-Ronnie Brown seemed like a no brainer to me.

06-Wanted Holmes but only because I wanted a Buckeye on the team :lol: Should have drafted Greenway though :(

07-Willis or Okoye were the only 2 I wanted. Didn't want Quinn at all.

08-I toyed with the idea of drafting C. Long or Gholston but I felt the safe and out of need we needed Jake Long.

09-I had my eye on a few players including James Laurinaitis Rey Maualuga, and Ron Brace. They all went round 2. Hindsight the pick should have been Clay Mathews or Louis Delmas.

 

In 04 I didn't even really watch football so I got nothing.

In 05, it was either Ronnie Brown or Cedric Benson. Brown I wasn't really familiar with and just read reports on him. Benson I watched because he was my favorite tailback in the NCAA.

In 06, I recall saying Antonio Cromartie but I can't confirm that lol. My memory sucks.

In 07, it was Ginn.

In 08, I was a fan early of Gholston but then I read Conuficus' analysis of Jake Long and that made my choice right there.

In 09, it was Sean Smith and if not him, Clint Sintim. I liked Clay Matthews a lot coming out and had a few arguments about him here as well as other boards but I was pretty certain that this management wouldn't take him because of his inexperience.

 

alen, what made you want something like ginn and not someone like willis? just curious.

i didn't start watching football again until after the '07 draft, so all I heard were boos for ginn :lol:

 

Ginn's potential, really. He had big time speed, was a threat after the catch at all times and I thought he had pretty good hands. I don't know what's happened to him now but even after his rookie season, I had high hopes. He caught 34 of 36 balls from Cleo Lemon and another name that escapes me at the moment. He also didn't run bad routes. Now he's all over the place with everything.

Patrick Willis I hadn't seen a great amount of too, that played a factor.

 

I ain't getting blamed for that one. I still remember posting that thinking "I wonder how it will take to be slammed." :lol:

 

You make it sound like we drafted Shrek or something. :lol:

 

The obvious question is who do you want now?

 

o4 - Wilfork
05 - I do not remember
06 - Manny Lawson
07 - Willis
08 - Chris Long
09 - No opinion. Dolphins were drafting way to late for me to form an opinion of who exactly I wanted. However the person would have been defense.

 

It's funny because they never seem to draft who I want them to. Sometimes it works out better and sometimes not.

2004- For a while I was hoping Phillip Rivers would fall to us, but after his Senior Bowl I knew that was out of the question. After that I was hoping for either Carey or Wilfork I think.

2005- I really liked Alex Smith and Aaron Rogers, but when it looked like Smith was going to get taken 1 and Rogers wasn't a target, Brown was my next choice. He was definitely my favorite back in the draft.

2006- Originally I wanted Jay Cutler to fall, but again realized that wouldn't happen and didn't really have a favorite after that. i liked Cromartie, but I was happy with Allen at the time.

2007- I very badly wanted Brady Quinn and was devastated when they passed on him. It's funny though because as much as everyone bags on Ginn, it would have set this franchise back a lot further had they taken Quinn.

2008- I was a big Chris Long backer, and argued for him to be the pick 'til I was blue in the face. Glenn Dorsey was my second choice and I was not happy with Big Jake. I'm very glad to be wrong about that one.

2009- I really badly wanted Hakeem Nicks or to a lesser extent Kenny Britt. I still think Nicks will be a star and Britt could be too, but I'm happy with Vontae.

 

lmao!

 

This is who I wanted when our pick rolled around:

2004 - JP Losman
2005 - Cedric Benson until the combine, then it was him or Ronnie
2006 - Demeco Ryans or Santonio Holmes
2007 - Brady Quinn
2008 - Kenny Britt

 

:lol:

:knucks:

 

2005

Wanted: Didn't want anyone. Wanted us to trade that 1st round for a stud, any stud. Hated the whole class. If there ever was a draft where you might as well have traded all your picks away, this was it.

Really didn't want: Braylon Edwards

2006:

Wanted: Cromartie and Holmes

Really didn't want: Jason Allen. Oh well ...

2007

Wanted: Quinn or Willis

Really didn't want: Ted Ginn. Oh well ...

2008

Wanted: Chris Long

Really didn't want: Vernon Gholston; Glenn Dorsey

2009

Wanted: Connor Barwin

Really didn't want: Louis Delmas

Looking back, I think an NFL FO should hire me to come up with a "don't draft at any cost" list :lol:

 

You'd have been wrong about Delmas at least, or it seems that way so far at least.

 

I'm not sure I have been. It's tough to tell with a team as bad as Detroit. I think he's accumulating stats because the talent around him is so bad but then again, too early to really tell.

 

He's been pretty good in Detroit, Ven. He's been making nice plays.

 

I know. But then again, I never though he wouldn't make plays. I thought he would make plays but get burned badly often because he just likes to make the big play way too often. And that's hard to evaluate with a bad team like Detroit right now.

 

This was my list.

2004: Wilfork
2005: R. Brown
2006: Manny Lawson
2007: Ginn
2008: J. Long
2009: H. Nicks

 

I'm not allen, but for me the issue was that ILB is not a core position. They are drafted high at a much lower rate b/c of that. I had Willis as my second choice b/c I rated him as a very good player but I wasn't convinced he'd reach that level of elite player (which he has become) that would have above normal impact for his position.

 

2004 - Vince Wilfork

2005 - Aaron Rodgers

2006 - Cromartie/Holmes

2007 - Dwayne Bowe

2008 - Chris Long

2009 - Rey Maualuga

 

2005: Wanted Ronnie

2006: Wanted Cromartie

2007: I wanted Ginn over Quinn, looking back on it I'd have wanted Willis.

2008: I wanted Jake Long, really DIDNT want C. Long

2009: I wanted Sean Smith oddly enough :lol:

 

I never understood the Ginn hype. I could never understand how some people could look at him and say I need him on my team! First round pick baby!! I remember some people mentioning we could get him and they were excited by it and I just ignored them because I knew "it would never happen."

I'm still shocked he's here and that he hasn't been cut yet.

 

If we went QB in 2004 I wanted Rodgers, I just didn't think he deserved to go #2. I really did not want Alex Smith.

I really wanted Bowe or Meachem in 2007, but when Quinn fell to us it was clear who I wanted most.

 

He was the first pick in the draft, so if he hasn't been dominant he can't be considered worthy of his draft status. I think I understand where you were going with this though.

 

2005 - Braylon Edwards

2006 - Santonio Holmes/Cromartie

2007 - Brady Quinn, although I actually didn't mind the Ginn pick.

2008 - Jake Long. I wasn't a huge fan of Chris Long like so many others, and was happy we went with a LT.

2009 - Was really hoping we'd get Hakeem Nicks or one of the USC LB's. Vontae Davis was kind of an afterthought, and I did/don't have alot of respect for the Big 10 over the last couple years. (SEC/ACC bias)

 

My drafts would have us getting our 3rd straight superbowl this year..:shifty:

JK..im pathetic


2004: Rashaun Woods
2005: Aaron Rodgers..couldnt believe how far he fell, i thought he was by far the best prospect in the draft..Benson in #2..
2006: Jay Cutler. If he didnt drop Cromartie or Manny Lawson.
2007: Brady Quinn
2008: Jake Long
2009: Nicks before the draft. Didnt think Maualuga would drop to us, when he did, i wanted him. Im happy with Vonte to though.


I ****ed up pretty bad on Woods. on the espn.com boards i had long arguements for months about who was better, Lee Evans or Woods..:lol:

i lost that battle..

 

:lol: so many Brady Quinn lovers :tongue2:

He wasn't anything special IMO.

 

As the draft process went along, and it became clear that he(Rodgers) wasn't going to go that high, I started to get on board with the Ronnie Brown pick. More so after watching his combine. But in the back of my mind I still felt like Rodgers should have been the pick. Loved him all season, especially after watching him hit some 19(or close to it) in a row against USC.

 

I liked Lee Evans more, but don't feel bad I thought Reggie Williams and Woods would both be good too.

 

2004: Don't really remember, to be honest. I was okay with the Carey pick because I thought he might be able to play LT. Keep in mind this was the first draft after the Eddie Freakin' Moore debacle, so I had low expectations.

2005: I really wanted us to trade down. I kind of wanted Braylon Edwards, but I was nervous about him and the University of Michigan connection. When we picked Brown I was satisfied with it.

2006: One of the few picks I genuinely hated. I really wanted Antonio Cromartie, though he's been up-and-down since joining the Chargers. I was nervous because we were drafting a guy (Jason Allen) coming off a major injury and without a real position.

2007: I really wanted Brady Quinn. I hated the Ginn pick at the time because I felt like it was a vanity pick for a team that had a lot of holes that needed to be filled. Everyone talks about Patrick Willis, but I saw us passing up a franchise QB in Quinn. You may recall everyone thought Quinn would go top 5, and we were shocked when he was there for us at 9. I couldn't believe we went with Ginn.

2008: I just wanted one of the Longs - Jake or Chris. Didn't much matter to me, though I preferred going LT over a guy who would be asked to convert to OLB in our scheme.

2009: I wanted Clint Scintim, but I was more than okay with the Vontae Davis pick. My big meltdown occurred when we bypassed on both Scintim and Barwin in round 2 to select Pat White. I was at a buddy's house, and had had a few beers. I was somewhat negative about the pick, though it was redeemed somewhat when we got Sean Smith a few picks later.

 

I guess Im the only person who wanted Matt Ryan? :)

Big Jake was my solid #2, and I wanted nothing to do with Chris Long, Glenn Dorsey or Gholston.

I also wanted Quinn in 2007. Previous years I dont really remember having favorites, but I was not thrilled with the Allen pick in any way, and while I thought Carey was an OK pick that trade up to get him was terrible.

 

No LT in the league is dominant then if Jake Long is not dominant. Joe Thomas isn't Orlando Pace out there either. The pass rushers have improved in speed since that day as far as pure speed. He's not pretty out there but Long is extremely good or at least has been so far knock on wood. Richmond Webb did it with more style.