http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/2014/...-wont-improve-without-better-linebacker-play/
I'm all for Anthony Barr if he somehow is there.
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Barr shouldn't be in the conversation, this team has enough edge defenders. Dion Jordan should be playing the SOLB position if you wanna go in that kinda direction.
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Too much $$ invested into those LB's for this season. They will play and hopfully someone will bite and trade for one of them after we're out of the playoff race.
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I would expect Wheeler will. I have watched him in the past, always liked him, and he can be very effective if used correctly.
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Misi to MIKE.... Jordan to SAM... and draft either Kony Ealy or Stephon Tuitt as a more appropriate, more scheme-versatile base DE who is stronger against the run and capable of 2-gapping to allow the defensive front to be more multiple than what Vernon allows. That way Jordan can be covered up and have bodies kept off him to allow him and his great athletic ability more opportunities to make plays just as Aldon Smith is afforded by his DE bodyguard Justin Smith. Part of spending high picks and top dollar contracts on players is the ensuing responsibility of making sure you maximize their potential. We moved to draft Jordan. The buck doesn't stop there b/c that alone isn't enough. It's time to maximize that #3 pick by pairing him with a stud DE capable of allowing Dion to shine.
The cherry on top would be Miami having its own potent NASCAR package with Wake, Jordan, Ealy, and Vernon. Plus it'd ensure the D-line remains the strength of the team, as should be the case. IMO that's enough to make it a first round draft priority. -
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A DE like Ealy or Tuitt taken that early in the draft is unlikely, but Taylor Hart or Brent Urban later on could happen.
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What I think could be some amazing forward thinking would be to draft Anthony Barr now so that a year or two from now when Wake is ready to transition to situational pass rush duties, the defense could seamlessly transition to a 3-4 defense that employs an impressive left-right OLB scheme rather than the typical strong side/weak side deal where the linebackers have to flip sides and move around depending on the offensive alignment. That's what San Fran does with Aldon Smith & Ahmad Brooks b/c both linebackers can do it all. Aldon stays on the right, Brooks on the left. If the offensive strong side is to Aldon's side, he becomes the SOLB. If the strong side lines up to Brooks' side, Aldon becomes the WOLB. It makes it all the easier to disguise coverages and allows greater flexibility. Barr & Jordan would make a wicked pair of left-right 34 OLBs that the entire defense could run through. Misi & Ellerbe can be the ILB's. Odrick, Starks, and Mitchell form a capable 3 man front. Vernon would be more than capable of dropping a little weight and being the backup OLB.Fin-Omenal likes this. -
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OH you are not planning on making the playoffs next season ? well I cant blame you for thinking that . the only thing that worries me is Joe Philbin's coaching if he doesn't do a better job this next season then we will likely miss the playoffs like you are saying but I feel 100000 percent better knowing Ireland and Mike Sherman are gone .
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I'm not particularly concerned with Lb corps, what does have my attention is losing Soliai and replacing him with a penetrating type of DT, which will probably mean even more running lanes to defend
I thought Ellerbe and Wheeler, both looked kinda lost tbh, hesitant. I do believe they will improve in yr #2, also think we made a new holeshula_guy likes this. -
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I really liked watching ellerbe play when he was at the ravens in the sb season. He looked excellent. I just hope he's had a transition time and we can see a player do his thing now. I hope we don't draft anyone else here, let the players we have prove their worth.
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He has played every DL position including NT and standing up as an OLB in his time at Oregon.(3 year starter)
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1664845/taylor-hart
He wasn't able to work out at the combine but just ran a 4.81 40 at his pro day while wowing the scouts in his drills.
He is also a guy with impeccable character and extremely high IQ, both on field and off.
He perfectly fits the job description you were discussing and it may actually be a role that he was made for.
I could easily see him being more successful at this kind of role than either Tuitt or Ealy. Tuitt is obviously headed for a traditional 5-tech role in the NFL and I have serious doubts about Ealy's scheme versatility for a number of reasons.
Urban is a true engma. It really sucks that he was injured during the senior bowl practices, he was causing a lot of buzz with his length and athleticism. He was expected to impress at the combine. Nine passes defensed in 8 games last year is just ridiculous.
The J.J. Watt comparisons are inevitable.
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The good news is you can win in the NFL with poor run defense. Doesn't make it easy, but it's possible. Stopping the pass should still be the priority.
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I could care less about a 5-tech who can also play DT and NT like you're suggesting with Hart. It's a passing league dude. I care about having either a 5-tech who can also line up off the edge without being a liability [like Tuitt] or a 4-3 DE with the potential to also play 5-technique [like Ealy]. Hart has some versatility and will probably be a decent player, however, he isn't the type of top flight prospect who jumps out at you as representing the final piece to a great defensive line. The way you're defending him here you'd think he were a top 10 pick. On a great defense he's a backup or rotational player who probably wont see the field in nickel defense. Tuitt & Ealy on the other hand are likely three down players on a great defense who offer plus ability as interior nickel rushers.
Tuitt vs Hart. Tuitt spent much of his healthy 2012 season at 5-tech and wider, meanwhile Hart spent the majority at 5-tech and in. As the videos below clearly illustrate, it's not even a discussion regarding who is a better fit as a jumbo 4-3 DE.
[video=youtube;81FGd9wwuro]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=81FGd9wwuro[/video]
[video=youtube;0HQJsjCq6nc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0HQJsjCq6nc[/video]
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You are just flat out wrong about Taylor Hart. He has the length,athleticism, and smarts to handle sliding outside in the NFL.
And wow, man, take your meds; all I am saying is that I disagree about your assesment of Taylor Hart. Then you overreact to the extreme and start with the vicious personal attack stuff again.
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It's pretty straight forward the type of player Ealy is. It's not smoke and mirrors like Aaron Maybin. Ealy's success doesn't hinge on a single facet of the game like a weakside speed rusher's does, so his bust potential is significantly lower than the heavily dramatic fashion in which you portray it. If you wanna isolate his interior nickel rushing potential, he's far from a bust. In fact he looks like a future stud. As a run stopper, there's nothing to suggest he can't handle his own or that he looks like a potential bust. He's 6'5 275 for cryin' out loud and plays at least that big and could handle some 5-tech duties. As an edge player he has more than enough ability to be productive for a strong side end, not forgetting that he'll be spending a third of his time at nickel DT.
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And as far as Ealy is concerned, he is a lardass. He ran a 4.92 at the combine and his advisors have told him not to run at his pro day. Why? Obviously they are afraid he will run a 5.0 forty and screw his draft status.
He will probably slide into the 2nd round and go to the Jags and never be heard from again.
Now man up a little, ok.....don't freak out and start denigrating me, we all have a right to our opinions; and my opinion is that Kony Ealy sucks! and for the Dolphins defense I wouldn't draft him anywhere. -
Trey Millard, FB
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To put it into perspective: Kony Ealy- 6.83. LeSean McCoy- 6.82.
Further perspective since you love forty times so much: Ealy- 6.83. Mr 4.26 forty Dri Archer- 6.86.
Let's do some more just for fun.
Ealy: 6.83... Sammy Watkins: 6.95
Ealy: 6.83... De'Anthony Thomas: 6.95
Ealy: 6.83... LaMichael James: 6.88
Ealy: 6.83... Lache Seastrunk: 6.81
Ealy: 6.83... Jamaal Charles: 6.80
PRO DAY UPDATE: AWWW, what a kick in the nuts for you--> Ealy ran a 4.57 today, so what was that you were saying there genius? Nothing? Crickets? That's what I thought. :console: -