NFL.com mock 3/4/13

That's the second mock I've seen with Werner dropping to our pick.

It's an unsurprising reaction to Combine measurables. But I don't think it's actually going to happen. We'll see.

Ireland, if you really listen and hear what he says, is much more transparent than many seem to believe. That's why his picks of Pouncey and Tannehill were both really no surprise and predicted ahead of time by most draft analysts. This year he says we need playmakers. I believe him. The #12 pick will be either Patterson, Allen, Eifert or Austin...or a dynamic pass rusher like Werner or Jarvis Jones. IMO.

"MrClean wrote:

Ireland, if you really listen and hear what he says, is much more transparent than many seem to believe. That's why his picks of Pouncey and Tannehill were both really no surprise and predicted ahead of time by most draft analysts. This year he says we need playmakers. I believe him. The #12 pick will be either Patterson, Allen, Eifert or Austin...or a dynamic pass rusher like Werner or Jarvis Jones. IMO.

""Guys that disrupt the passer. Guys that disrupt the timing of a receiver in the route," Ireland said. "Guys that catch interceptions. Guys that knock down balls. Guys that score touchdowns. Guys that can pick up chunk yardage. Guys that can run after catch. Guys that can create big plays on their ability alone."
"Whatever position that is, those are playmakers," Ireland continued. "It is not just one position we're looking to address. We're addressing several different positions in free agency, the draft, whatever avenue that's out there.""

The bottom line is that we need another pass rusher. I think that my preference remains to pair up Odrick, who will supposedly drop 20 lbs to be more nimble at DE next year, with a Corey Lemonier type a la Seattle with the Red Bryant/Bruce Irvin combo. I'm still thinking CB with the 1st rd pick, CB and OT if Jake Long walks, or just go with the best player Ozzie Newsome style and fill needs with all the picks rds 2-4.

That being said, Werner is interesting. He's not an off the charts athlete, but he's clearly imo one of the most explosive DEs out there with a great 1st step and short area quickness. A straight up 4/3 DE, so he has a better chance of falling to us than a DE/OLB type or a DE who can play 3/4 or 4/3.

Werner is explosive off the edge, and we certainly need that- plus, there's some nuance to him, some actual pass rushing skill, case in point the play at :42 here, he brings some subtle moxie with him:

He's not thrilling, but he's a good player. The question is, is he #12 good, or will we be passing over simply better football players if we drafted him? So much talent at OT and DT- and if we resign J Long to go with our franchising of Starks, that kind of blows for us. When all is said and done, trading down 5-8 picks for an extra 3rd might not be the worst thing in the world. And if I really wanted to inject some athleticism in the defense and get value at #12- Alec Ogletree. One of my favorites, but the Noles Werner and Xavier Rhodes clearly fill bigger needs. Confusing stuff, but i hope that we veer towards vlaue and quality over need, the draft is plenty deep to fill needs in later rounds.

IF Jake Long walks, I gotta think that LT is at the very top of the list. Honestly, who else on the roster could even come close to playing at such a key position, especially with a 2nd year QB that struggled as much as Tannehill did last year.

Play makers are great to have, but they do you zero good if your new QB is lying on his back.

I've heard Warner compared to Kerrigan, I'm not seeing it, tbh would not touch him in the first rd.

Let us look at the factors around Warner: Admitted he took plays off vs lesser opponents, mediocre athlete, from a school that produces sketchy defensive prospects, not seeing "make him the 12th pick in the draft" in there.

Not thrilled with Rhodes either, our D does not highly value Cb's, nor should it.

My gut is thinking this is a weak draft at the top for offensive talent, Ireland loves lineman, would not surprise me at all if we go DT or OT, like Richardson or Johnson.

I take Werner > Rhodes, certainly.

My only totally baseless, but intuitive concern with Werner is durability. He looks like the kind of build and style that will fight shoulder injuries.

"azfinfanmang wrote:

IF Jake Long walks, I gotta think that LT is at the very top of the list. Honestly, who else on the roster could even come close to playing at such a key position, especially with a 2nd year QB that struggled as much as Tannehill did last year.

Play makers are great to have, but they do you zero good if your new QB is lying on his back.

I just hope we don't use our #12, 2a AND 3a to move UP to replace Jake Long.

What a waste that would have been.

"MrClean wrote:

Ireland, if you really listen and hear what he says, is much more transparent than many seem to believe. That's why his picks of Pouncey and Tannehill were both really no surprise and predicted ahead of time by most draft analysts. This year he says we need playmakers. I believe him. The #12 pick will be either Patterson, Allen, Eifert or Austin...or a dynamic pass rusher like Werner or Jarvis Jones. IMO.

I agree with that list, but I would also include Rhodes. I like Vacarro as well, but I haven't heard anything that leads me to believe the team feels the same.

"Bpk wrote:

I take Werner > Rhodes, certainly.

My only totally baseless, but intuitive concern with Werner is durability. He looks like the kind of build and style that will fight shoulder injuries.

Would not touch Werner, there is a bit of slight of hand with him.

"..oh he did not have the measurables BUT...."

I'd prefer a player with the metrics, but is raw, over a "magic" player whom you should just trust to get it done.

Not at the #12 pick, we need elite talent not magic

"padre31 wrote:

Would not touch Werner, there is a bit of slight of hand with him.

"..oh he did not have the measurables BUT...."

I'd prefer a player with the metrics, but is raw, over a "magic" player whom you should just trust to get it done.

Not at the #12 pick, we need elite talent not magic

So you want that Siberian TCU DE who has all the measurables but doesn't have the ability, then? There's nothing magic to it. It's called technique.

I would take Werner if the draft fell like that and call it a great first day.

"rafael wrote:

I agree with that list, but I would also include Rhodes. I like Vacarro as well, but I haven't heard anything that leads me to believe the team feels the same.

That is a pre free agency guess by me too. Things could look a lot different in early April after most of free agency is done. If we don't resign Clemons, then safety would move up. If we don't sign any veteran corner and or resign SS24 then corner could too. The safety I am liking the most now though is DJ Swearinger. Boik mentioned him, and another friend who's a huge SC fan did too. Both seem to really like him, so I went back and watch some more and he's very impressive. We could get him in the 2nd I think. I also like Eric Reid as much as Vaccaro.

"rafael wrote:

I would take Werner if the draft fell like that and call it a great first day.

Do you see the Werner/Kerrigan comparison as being a good one?

"Crazy685 wrote:

So you want that Siberian TCU DE who has all the measurables but doesn't have the ability, then? There's nothing magic to it. It's called technique.

Estonian not Siberian. :) Margus Hunt. The Eastern Block.

"azfinfanmang wrote:

IF Jake Long walks, I gotta think that LT is at the very top of the list. Honestly, who else on the roster could even come close to playing at such a key position, especially with a 2nd year QB that struggled as much as Tannehill did last year.

Play makers are great to have, but they do you zero good if your new QB is lying on his back.

IMO, when Martin was drafted last year it was as part of a contingency plan for not being able to resign Long. If he does not come back, I think Martin will be the LT and a new RT signed or drafted.

"MrClean wrote:

Do you see the Werner/Kerrigan comparison as being a good one?

I would take it as a good one. I'd use the #12th pick on a guy who could get me 8 sacks a year over his 1st two years.

I seriously doubt Jags would pass on Geno.

A lot of mocks have the Jags going for a LT like Fisher. I thought Monroe was a pretty good. Not top of the heap, but not a position that needs upgrading ahead of many others.

I know. I figure they have Blackmon, Lewis, and Shorts. Production should be 5x better. New coaching there as well. I think they will take Geno if he's there.

"MrClean wrote:

That is a pre free agency guess by me too. Things could look a lot different in early April after most of free agency is done. If we don't resign Clemons, then safety would move up. If we don't sign any veteran corner and or resign SS24 then corner could too. The safety I am liking the most now though is DJ Swearinger. Boik mentioned him, and another friend who's a huge SC fan did too. Both seem to really like him, so I went back and watch some more and he's very impressive. We could get him in the 2nd I think. I also like Eric Reid as much as Vaccaro.

I like Swearinger as well. I personally would not opt for a CB at #12. I would go the FA and add mid level guys.

"MrClean wrote:

Do you see the Werner/Kerrigan comparison as being a good one?

IMO Werner is a better player. I wasn't as high on Kerrigan coming out as I am on Werner.

"jim1 wrote:

PICK NO. 1

ERIC FISHER OT CENTRAL MICHIGAN

Andy Reid is poised to orchestrate a quick turnaround in Kansas City, between the pending arrival of Alex Smith and the securing of Dwayne Bowe and Branden Albert. With the freedom to take the best player on the board, the Chiefs could add the most athletic offensive tackle in the draft to solidify the edges of the O-line. Fisher has been flying up the charts following strong performances at the Senior Bowl and NFL Scouting Combine; scouts have been raving about his combination of size, strength and athleticism as a potential star at left or right tackle.

PICK NO. 12

XAVIER RHODES CB FLORIDA ST.
The potential loss of Sean Smith could lead GM Jeff Ireland to nab the top bump-and-run corner in the draft. Rhodes will need some time to learn the finer points of playing the position, but it would be hard to bypass an explosive athlete with his kind of range and length.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/mock-drafts/bucky-brooks/165257

If the draft falls this way, I'd expect Ireland to trade back with Dallas, who would take Star, Richardson or Werner for their 4-3 transition.

Then we would take Eifert at 18.

And I would do the nekkid dance.

"ckparrothead wrote:

It's an unsurprising reaction to Combine measurables. But I don't think it's actually going to happen. We'll see.

I could see it possibly happening by default thanks to abundance of 3-4, pass-rush needy teams in the top 11.