Well CK, to me you make an inadvertent point, even "if" Henne chopped off 4 int's to get down to 10, "he would not be a good Qb".

The point is, the offense as a whole, "if" the running game were even approximately what we had in 09 the offense would have been greatly improved even with Henne throwing less int's then td's, the manicial focus on the Dolphins Qb play is mostly misplaced.

Collapse of the running game and the loss of 14 td's had far more of a statistical effect on our W/L record.

 

I think the problem is that he didn't make enough plays. His INT total isn't necessarily troublesome on its own, but when paired with very few big plays, its not good.

 

This is something I see here, too. The hate for Henne is so much greater than it is for Ronnie, Ricky, and the OL. The offense as a whole was a disaster last year.

 

They really need to complete their study. This is interesting. IIRC, didnt Henne throw most of his interceptions between his own 10 and midfield?

 

Obviously they should have had Henne throwing more often in the red-zone :chuckle:

 

What similar OL? There have been changes every year and Ricky and Ronnie are both worn and torn. It wasn't any singular player's fault.

When were we getting those 3.7 yards? On 3rd and 10? The play selection was crap all last year.

 

I'm pretty sure that Henne's red zone numbers weren't all that bad. By that I mean he didn't throw an inordinate amount of picks in the red zone or anything.

 

What did the starting RBs on the 4 teams you mentioned average on 1st & 2nd down?

 

Yes, but many complain that we took the ball out of his hands too often. One could logically conclude that he didn't throw a lot of picks in the red zone because of this.

 

True, especially down the field, however the statistical neutrality of Henne's int's means something else was missing.

Mainly the over 4 ypc/14 td's (or was it 17?) that went missing, 14 x 7=98 pts divided by 16 games 5.5 pts a game (or so) inow, wins vs the Browns and Bills and Stealers, we also lost 2 other games (first Jets, Lions) by a Td.

Imho, statistically speaking the reasons for 7-9 are plain as day, no points from the running game, 28 pts given up on ST, and about 5 td's short in the passing game.

98 pts from the ground, 35 pts through the air, and (+28 pts not surrendered on Returns)=161 more points

I say 5 Td's short in the passing game as imho a starting nfl Qb should be worth at least slightly more then 1 Td per game ie 20 Td's.

 

Ray Rice had 4.0 ypc but 1220 yards.
Michael Turner had 4.1 ypc but 1,371 yds and 12 TD's

YPC does not show how good the running game is and for you to even pretend like it does is disingenuous to prove a point. And to even pretend like 4 teams is some sort of rule. Your sample size is now 2 out of 32 teams.

 

As I've read you pointing out, in yr #2 as a starter typically it is a game of adjustments, the Defenses have a book on the Qb, the Qb has to adjust their game, not losing ground is not a huge loss in the big picture, however fair to say we both saw things from Henne that would cause us to think Henne was succeeding mostly due to the talent on offense, not his own ability, Henne was not making anyone better in 2010.

 

And Ronnie has done something other than run the Wildcat in 2008?

 

I don't think we would have saw a lot more picks if he threw it more, but based on how he did in the RZ I don't know that we would've seen a lot more TDs either.

 

They must have had some great QB play. Oh, wait a sec...

Thanks for the link CK.

 

Exactly, and that is what most are missing, it was not td throws per se, it was the ability to drive the offense into the redzone and then into the endzone via whatever means that was Henne's real failing in 2010.

Which to me also means better running of the ball equals more production, but the thought of opponents perhaps run blitzing more often as being an issue is also something that would have to be looked at and afaik, is not a "stat'.

Blitzes produce sacks, or pressures or disruptions, there is no metric for run blitzes that I'm aware of anyway, perhaps you know of one?

 

Why do you average the RB's together and not individually? Surely adding variables like amount of carries, 1 big run, and other factors will drag down or inflate some of these stats.

 

You? I posted their overall YPC numbers, but I also posted their total stats. You're pretending like OC's looked at Atlanta last year and said don't worry about that Michael Turner, he's only gaining 4 YPC. But hey, Henne had a QB rating on 3rd and 1-7 didn't he?

 

Nope, and I didn't mean to insinuate it did.

 

I don't see anyone complaining about how those teams have a terrible Offensive Coordinator, either.

 

Is there a stat for how many times a team settled for playing for a field goal?

 

Couldn't you also give the benefit of the doubt to the young guy who's still developing instead of the long time vet who's already maxed out his capabilities? Like him or hate him, but I think Henne has a much better chance of improving his game over the next couple years than Ronnie or Ricky.

 

He'll only get half of a season to prove himself. Other than that, and he could do it, but if he doesn't, he'll be learning somewhere else or on the bench

 

Blitzes also leave your secondary at a disadvantage and makes the defense more susceptible to the big play, whether it be a draw, screen, bomb, whatever. Our offense from 08-10 was designed to discourage the blitz, that was Henning's philosophy. Strong run game, short-intermediate pass game, stay out long yardage, convert on third down, etc. It's not a bad philosophy, especially w/ a young QB, but when the running game wasn't going and teams could sit on our short-intermediate game, things tended to get ugly.

I'm hoping we'll be more aggressive this year. Bite the bullet, invite the blitz, and trust Henne to make quicker decisions. We have a couple guys (Bess-Marshall) who can shake coverage quickly and/or beat 1 on 1 consistently, and hopefully we'll add another RB who can serve as a check down threat in FA. The return of the run game should also create more favorable matchups, if it returns that is.

 

Plenty of people have complained about Cam Cameron and Mike Mularky.

 

Guilty as sin !!! Although I did like when Mularkey was hired, I wanted to ring his neck once he could not get the offense going while here.

I did like Cam as an OC though. Always have but yeah, I'm guilty

 

Our offense looked ugly in 08?