He implies Beck will not get any interest from other teams once cut (very small blurb)
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/peter_king/08/10/ufl/2.html
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while i can somewhat understand his logic, its faulty in that it doesn't address why we'd keep McCown over him and have two vets on our roster. Beck is still developmental... absolutely no reason to cut him.
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Over the years I've come to the conclusion that anything that comes out of all these media guys are nothing more than farts in the wind.
We'll see what happens.
I agree with you that there is no reason to cut Beck. You're looking for a future QB and we've got 2 young ones to develop. Why throw one away before knowing what he can develop into. Would be stupid.calphin and MelbournePhin like this. -
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I could see him going to New England or a team that was interested in him last year
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The Parcells regime isn't too keen (almost trigger-happy to let go) on players it didn't draft or sign so I can understand it from that angle but really it should be McCown gone.
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He might be right. Quien sabe? I don't think the decision has been made yet...I think they are going to give Beck the entire pre-season to prove he deserves to be here.
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Getting rid of beck over McCown wouldnt make a whole lot of sense.
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I'm just worried about King's supposed close relationship with Bill Parcells. Is he hearing anything from the horse's mouth?funkdat likes this. -
Either way, I am not sweating it. Frankly, I don't think this team's future rests on the decision to keep Beck or not.PMZQ likes this. -
It does seem like there is alot of media speculation that we might cut Beck. Its almost as if some word has been leaked to them to try to prepare the fan base for what is going to be equal to what happened when GB traded Favre.
IF Beck gets cut, there is going to be more of a firestorm than I think the Trifecta is counting on. Not that they would change their minds, but Beck is EXTREMELY popular. They better keep preparing the people. -
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You can tell by the live practice blog posted earlier that Beck seems to be getting less and less snaps then Pennington and Henne, but McClown seems to be getting even less. I doubt they keep the 4. -
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I'd rather keep Beck than McCown
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1. What is the purpose of keeping McCown around now that Penny is on board? Has McCown really outplayed Beck and Henne?
2. Reading these blogs on a daily basis has left me (and many others) to point out the bias against Beck and the fawning over Henne who really hasn't done much of anything to be considered the front runner. As jdang307 pointed out earlier, todays blog report was misleading and anyone who skimmed through to find a wrapup/breakdown would have thought "OMG, Beck sucked today".
I don't think Beck is in any danger of being cut, speculation is a journalists best friend.Colorado Dolfan likes this. -
I don't think it really matters, at this point if Beck or McCown make the team this year they will be gone by next year. Pennington and Henne are the one's who will move forward with us and another QB will be added to develop behind them next year. I just don't see McCown or Beck getting the reps this year to solidify them keeping a job with us next year. The writing is on the wall and this group will not sit back on their laurels like the others did. We'll use a mid to late round pick on a QB next year and continue to try to develop young QBs and not get caughtbin the rut the others did. Only the strong survive and honestly I like it.
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And the decision about Beck won't be based on what we've seen. It'll be based on what the coaches have seen. Based on what we've seen, he could be cut tomorrow and its no big loss.
But if the coaches, will all of their collective years of watching QBs believe that Beck is not cut out for the NFL, then it'll be adios Juan.
But I think by now, in his second TC, second season with the Fins, Beck needs to start showing that he can see the whole field, he can find open WRs and he can get the ball to them. You can't run an offense where all of your passes are to the fullback.
As for why we are enamored with Henne, it is because as a rookie, hes no worse than Beck and he has much better physical skills. That would portend to be more upside.
I don't want to rehash the Beck Bias, pro or con. That's old news.
If I was the coach, I would keep Beck, just because he might pan out. But I am not, and I don't see him in practice and I don't have the expertise to determine whether or not he can play. If they deem he cannot, I'll support their decision.Stringer Bell, texasPHINSfan, Brown42000 and 2 others like this. -
I support anyone who wears Aqua and Coral and that includes John Beck. I'm just not biased to one or the other for whatever social reason. -
I disagree with this. I think Beck might be able to develop into a good long term backup QB. Hes only 27. By next year, it'll be his third year in the league and his second in the offense.
CPs contract runs through the 2009 season. If he stays around two years, then Henne takes over (which may even be sooner), why have a late round rookie as Hennes backup? Keep Beck as the backup. Pay him better than market value for a backup. Its a critical position.
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We have 2 young and talented QB's on our roster and the FO owes it to the franchise to try and develop that talent, otherwise we're just pissing away draft picks and bringing in castoffs from other teams in the hopes that they pan out. That's the type of management that put us in this 1-15 mess in the first place, we need to start developing our young players or else we will find ourselves right back here next year talking about the same thing.
Seeing that McCown is the veteran out of the original 3 (McCown, Beck, Henne) and he hasn't been able to pull away and win the starting job like an experienced vet should, I think he's the odd man out. He was brought here to be the veteran presence and Pennington is now that guy, I just don't see the purpose of keeping McCown on the roster.Dolfan13, Larryfinfan, DennyCrane and 3 others like this. -
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I agree it is a good thing to have a vet backup Henne if Pennington is gone, but if Beck doen't show up, he'll be gone too. This group has shown it has no reservations about turning over players on the roster. They will go out and get someone they have ties or connections to that is serviceable in a pinch and won't think twice about it. Make no bones about it, if Beck leaves a bad taste in their mouth, they will spit him out in a hurry.JMO -
First and foremost, my thoughts and prayers are with you and your family.
With that said, I don't think John Beck is ready to back up Pennington when he "falls"(fingers crossed that he doesn't). At least he hasn't showed his readiness. So that leaves us in a dangerous situation. An injury prone QB, a lackluster back up and two young promising QBs.
It's for this reason that I rather not debate or argue this particular subject. Someone might confuse me for a Henne or Beck "supporter". I rather just keep supporting the team as a whole and let the F.O decide who should lead us foward. After all, they are the experts, we are just speculating.like2god likes this. -
And I am a Beck supporter, I support all of our players until they give me reason not to. Which takes me back to my original point, we really don't know what we have with either one of our young QB's at this point. Beck was horribly mishandled last year by Cam and I don't feel that what we saw is an accurate representation of what he has to offer this team. I think the idea of giving up on him to soon would be a major waste of an asset, an asset that cost us a 2nd rounder just one year ago. This team has wasted so many draft picks over the years (2nd rounders on Feeley and Culpepper, only 2 players from the 2000-2004 drafts are still with he team - Bell and Carey), we really should make sure that we do everything we can to make sure that we know what we have before we move on and toss them to the side.
The same with Henne, he's a rookie and he's just getting his feet wet in the NFL. We really don't know what he has to offer but it's clear that he still has some things to work on in order to be a starter in the NFL. I would hope that he gets a fair shot to show what he has to offer before the team decides to move on.
On the otherhand, we do know what McCown has to offer this team because he has been in the NFL for a number of years now and he has a body of work from which we can look at and make judgements. He was supposed to be the vet to come in and challenge for the starters job and the fact that he (with his 7 years of NFL experience) couldn't beat out 2 young unexperienced QB's should put him on the outside looking in. I'm not really understanding why he would still be on the team with Pennington in the fold.
But your quote above brings up two points in my mind.
1. If Beck isn't ready to be a backup to Pennington right now, what does that say about McCown who couldn't pull away from the pack to win the starters job and what does that say about Henne who hasn't done anything to distance himself from Beck and McCown? I would think that if a 7 year vet can't win the job from two inexperienced players, then he would be the one on the outs.
2. When Parcells and Co. took over they were talking about rebuilding, being patient and how this wouldn't happen overnight. What happened to the plan? Did we all of a sudden change gears because Pennington was available? Is he really a guy that you can build on and count on to be healthy for a full season? I agree that he is better than what we currently have when he's healthy, but his ability to stay healthy has been an issue throughout his career. Add to that the fact that he can't throw the deep ball because of his lack of arm strength, now the opposing defenses will focus more on stopping the run and Ginn's speed won't be as big a factor as it should be. If the plan is to be a playoff team in 2 years, why sign a player that might not be around in 2 years while keeping 2 of your youngsters on the bench? When that target 2010 playoff year rolls around we could very well be starting someone who has little to no NFL game experience.
So I'll give the FO the benefit of the doubt and acknowledge that Penny is a pretty good game manager and that he is currently better than any of the other 3 QB's on the roster. But I question how long he will hold up and what exactly is the direction that this team is heading? Are we still a rebuilding team or are we a retooling team?calphin and Colorado Dolfan like this. -
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Beck or McCown each has a 50/50 chance. 54 snaps at practice and they get 2 each.
"As Dolphins coach Tony Sparano hinted before practice, Pennington got the bulk of the work in 11-on-11 drills. He took 28 of the 54 snaps, with rookie Chad Henne getting 21. Veteran Josh McCown and second-year quarterback John Beck split the rest."
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-dolphins-pennington&prov=ap&type=lgns
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