http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/mock-draft-pre-scouting-combine-matt-barkley-manti-teo-021313
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Damontre Moore? That's a poor pick. He doesn't realize our right side end's role is more that of a 3-4 end b/c we utilize a hybrid OLB, which is why Ansah, Okafor, or Datone Jones make more sense if we're talking about moving Odrick inside. Otherwise, if we want the best pure pass rusher then draft the best pure pass rusher- Carradine.
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Wonder if he watched any of Sheldon's games..remind me again why universal draft isn't a viable piece of draft culture..
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There are people coming out of the woodwork with mocks daily, and I have never heard of these people.
I'm not saying they aren't credible sports people. A lot of them probably are. It's just amazing how because no one can resist looks ng at a new mock, everyone on the planet wants to put one out to get readers.
I think the guy who trims our hedges on Tuesdays has a mock draft.Fin-Omenal and ToddPhin like this. -
Because the path to monetization is long and arduous, with way more hours put in than dollars gotten out for the first.. Oh, three years.
Simon, Richard, Alen and that other guy need to pay rent, and for kids braces... Except in Simon's case as he's in England. -
The Sherman and TAMU connection makes this a possibility, IMO.
Jeff Ireland likes to minimize risk in his choices, and if he feels he has an advantage by having info from Damontre's college coach, then Ireland could feel more comfortable taking Damontre than a more 'unknown' prospect.
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Geno Smith the third QB off the board. Man, what a weak QB draft class.
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but that's operating under the assumption Sherman endorses Moore as the pick. The advantage goes both ways; perhaps Sherman knows something would keep us from mistakingly taking Moore in the 1st just as Philbin didn't give a ringing endorsement to make Flynn a high priority. If Ireland isn't enthused with what he sees from Moore, I don't think it will matter a hill of beans what Sherman thinks to be honest. IMO the only way this works is if Ireland & Sherman's views are already aligned like they were with Tannehill.
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You didn't bother reading did you? Moore has been used as a hybrid in the TAMU defense.
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Well, for one thing your summation of the defense sounds like a pretty good rationalization for keeping Odrick at DE- if they want more of a 3/4 type DE there, they got it. The defense needs, most would agree I think, an edge rusher to compliment Wake- not a DE to clean up the QB scraps that Wake flushed out, that is a dicey template imo. The 44 sacks that we got are nice, but the eyeball test is clear- during the games, when we needed some heat on the QB it wasn't always there. Not all sacks are created equally imo- garbage sacks and broken play sacks are fine, but so is pinning your ears back and getting after a pocket passer on 3rd and 8. If you can't do that- well, that can make for a long season. Ansah is not that guy, Okafor is much closer but is a tad slow and Datone Jones seems to be one heck of a player but isn't an edge rusher as much as he is a good inside pass rusher and all around DE.
As to the whole hybrid OLB thing, my question is why have a bigger, non pass rushing hybrid OLB in Misi behind a jumbo LDE in Odrick? Where'e the balance there, the synergy, where is the pass rush? I hold these two things to be self evident: 1. We need better and faster WRs. 2. We need a better pass rush. Personally, I'd love to see a guy like Sean Porter in at OLB and Misi moved to ILB. That would be WAY more synergistic and would provide upgrades as per speed, quickness pass rushing ability. And if they want to draft a better OLB hybrid, Damontree Moore has been one and inherited the joker role from Von Miller iirc.
As to drafting a DE- Okafor is ok but not the fastest guy and Moore has his flaws, but he is an effective edge rusher and he can roam the LOS quite effectively. Is he overrated? That's possible, but he's a good player- the Alabama OL made pretty much everyone look bad, and yes Xavier Nixon played him well. I'm not going to judge Moore based on two of his weaker games- put in Okafor or Ansah against the Alabama OL and I doubt that it would be a pretty picture either. Jarvis Jones fared better than Moore, but even the Alabama TEs took him behind the wood shed for a lot of that game.
In terms of DEs, one school has three of the better ones- FSU. Werner, Carridine and Jenkins as a speed rusher. Mu guess is that we take a cue from Seattle and draft our own version of Bruce Allen to compliment Odrick, who probably isn't going anywhere. Red Bryant/Bruce Irvin- I could live with our version being Jared Odrick/Corey Lemonier, or for even more of a value pick Brandon Jenkins. For the full time DEs who can actually rush the passer, Devon Taylor, Mallicah Goodman and Cornelious Washington.
Somehow in all of this it seems that the OLBs escape responsibility for the pass rush- not fair imo. Odrick does his job and does it pretty well- no he's not Charles Haley, but Koa Misi certainly isn't a top notch pass rusher. Misi and Burnett combined got one more sack than Odrick- not so hot. And also, what if Cameron Wake gets hurt? Then what, the pass rush will come from where? Probably nowhere. Time to get at least one more edge rusher, bottom line. -
Outside of your feelings toward Ansah I don't really disagree with anything you're saying here. I simply don't feel Moore would suffice as the answer to boosting our pass rush, especially not at the cost of a #12 pick. If Starks leaves there will be a hole on the line, so that can't be ignored, which is why I'll continue to beat the Ansah drum b/c there's no one in this draft who offers as much at the right end spot based on how Coyle uses the position. You might want another pass rusher (so do I), but adding one won't make our hole at Dline in base defense disappear, and it won't give us an added interior presence in nickel.
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They needed a manager and a plan of action for exposure imo..that was a dream team..Alen is doing really well, nbc, rotoworld is no joke, just a matter of time before that kid becomes a star, CK I can't even talk about, because it pisses me off..
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If we had different needs, at least as I see them, I would certainly be interested in Ansah, heck of a talent and a whole lot of potential there- but not at #12, he has a lot to prove imo. One of a DEs basic functions (especially a 4/3 DE) is to regularly beat OTs, I'd like to see him do more of that. Menelik Watson- conversely, there's an OT that I see time and again stonewalling DEs (from the tape I've seen, not just highlights, I'm new to Watson)
Anyway, I do like Damontre Moore- good 1st step, speed, good arc bending (I still don't get that criticism), good pursuit. But the tape does show some concerns, and it does look on film like he's stonewalled quite a bit and he switches to pursuit mode- nice peripheral skill there, , but what he's supposed to show is beating OTs regularly- he has succeeded at that quite a bit but at the same time, yeah, against Alabama, Florida and on some other tape I've seen his performance has been less than ideal.
I'm leaning towards these guys, in terms of talent and value:
Lemonier
Okafor
Taylor
Washington (props to CK)
Goodman
Jenkins
And Carridine is probably the best of the bunch when healthy, might be one heck of a future play with a 2nd rd pick. Werner is a solid pas rusher with an excellent 1st step, probably won't be there at #12. Ditto Jarvis Jones.
I'm looking at Jordan and Buchanan as OLBs, both too lanky and get tied up with college OTs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUQMcZDIutw
My analysis of that Jenkins tape- not thrilling.
Jenkins might be pretty good as a value pick if we do the Seattle Red Bryant/Bruce Irvin thing. Based on the tape I like Jenkins but I don't love him, I prefer Lemonier, better speed and 1st step- he's my edge rusher default guy, I keep going back to him, he's a dynamic pass rusher with good frame for a 4/3 DE and one heck of a pass rusher- could be an OLB, too. Jenkins reminds me a bit of of Okafor- good size for 4/3 DE but not a great 1st step and just not all that fast or dynamic from what I've seen. He doesn't thrill me, but he is pretty good. I'd go with Devin Taylor, Washington or Goodman before Jenkins I think.
Anyway, the points made on this site by you, CK and others regarding Moore are good imo, and he does give pause for concern. Still a good player imo, but some troubling tendencies are there when I watch the film. Then again, I could say the same thing for Dion Jordan and any number of other top prospects, including Jones and Ogletree from Georgia. I haven't studied enough of Luke Joeckel to comment on him, but in terms of solid, complete prospects that are good risks imo- Star Lotulelei, Menelik Watson and I still like Matt Elam quite a bit, Sean Porter as well. I'm trying to find something to not like about Watson and I'm having trouble with that so far, solid as a rock and uber athletcic, fantastic reflexes and movement skills- and a physical beast at the same time.ToddPhin likes this. -
Ireland will be lynched if Patterson is there and he doesn't take him. Not saying he should. Just saying he will be lynched if he doesn't.
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As a Seminole, this is full of truth.