Philbin>Belichick

Philbin is the one. The Neo. The savior. The one who delivered. The new sheriff of the AFC.

It's much more likely Philbin staying out of Lazor and Coyle's way than it had anything to do with him

"Disgustipate wrote:

It's much more likely Philbin staying out of Lazor and Coyle's way than it had anything to do with him

Agree, I think he looked clueless for most of the game.

"Disgustipate wrote:

It's much more likely Philbin staying out of Lazor and Coyle's way than it had anything to do with him

Based on what? Your supreme knowledge of what transpired in the locker room? Even if your thesis is correct he should get credit for delegating power. Of course if they lost you would be blaming Philbin for not staying out of their way.

"Disgustipate wrote:

It's much more likely Philbin staying out of Lazor and Coyle's way than it had anything to do with him

I dont think thats fair to say. I know youre an avid philbin hater, but You dont have a clue what really goes on there.

"Bumrush wrote:

Based on what? Your supreme knowledge of what transpired in the locker room? Even if your thesis is correct he should get credit for delegating power. Of course if they lost you would be blaming Philbin for not staying out of their way.

Not speaking for Disgustipate but I dont have much confidence in Philbin as a HC, he doesnt get the team fired up and they don't seem to be as prepared as they should. Alot of the same mistakes from 2012 carried into 2013 and then into the first half of this game. Id give credit to Coyle and Lazor for halftime adjustments over giving Philbin much credit. At this point I think Philbin is just managing and not really having much of an impact on this team coaching wise. But this is just my humble opinion.

Its the first time in Philbins regime than I can remember when our second half adjustments were the differenco to the game.The way those second string LBs played was just superb.:up:

"FinSane wrote:

Not speaking for Disgustipate but I dont have much confidence in Philbin as a HC, he doesnt get the team fired up and they don't seem to be as prepared as they should. Alot of the same mistakes from 2012 carried into 2013 and then into the first half of this game. Id give credit to Coyle and Lazor for halftime adjustments over giving Philbin much credit. At this point I think Philbin is just managing and not really having much of an impact on this team coaching wise. But this is just my humble opinion.

Overvalued trait IMHO. Carroll and Rex Ryan get their guys fired up. At this point, if grown men can't get their OWN units fired up for this type of game, I'm not sure a coach should be the fault.

One other thing I'm not sure Philbin's been given enough credit for is the talent level of this current team. Hickey goes out of his way to say their pickups in draft and free agency were "group" decisions between him, his crew, and Philbin.

We're deeper than we've been in a LONG time...as evidenced by today.

"FinSane wrote:

Not speaking for Disgustipate but I dont have much confidence in Philbin as a HC, he doesnt get the team fired up and they don't seem to be as prepared as they should. Alot of the same mistakes from 2012 carried into 2013 and then into the first half of this game. Id give credit to Coyle and Lazor for halftime adjustments over giving Philbin much credit. At this point I think Philbin is just managing and not really having much of an impact on this team coaching wise. But this is just my humble opinion.

your basis for giving credit to everyone but jp is kind of ridic. Just like the rest of us you dont know how the gameplanning and adjustments go. Hell in his first season i remember people complimenting his great halftime adjustments in a few games. It sort of disgusts me when people think we win in SPITE of the HEAD COACH of the team. It even sounds ridiculous to just say. I also 100% disagree with getting the team fired up. They have bought into him. Its apparent.

"Bumrush wrote:

Based on what? Your supreme knowledge of what transpired in the locker room? Even if your thesis is correct he should get credit for delegating power. Of course if they lost you would be blaming Philbin for not staying out of their way.

dcafiero wrote:

I dont think thats fair to say. I know youre an avid philbin hater, but You dont have a clue what really goes on there.

I know he was more of an assistant head coach/executive secretary than coordinator in Green Bay, and I know there's quite a bit of deference to his coordinators in Miami. Philbin isn't a scheme guy. He's a pick up the garbage, tuck-in the players guy.

"FinSane wrote:

Not speaking for Disgustipate but I dont have much confidence in Philbin as a HC, he doesnt get the team fired up and they don't seem to be as prepared as they should. Alot of the same mistakes from 2012 carried into 2013 and then into the first half of this game. Id give credit to Coyle and Lazor for halftime adjustments over giving Philbin much credit. At this point I think Philbin is just managing and not really having much of an impact on this team coaching wise. But this is just my humble opinion.

Finnegan, Delmas, Davis, and the rest of the defense looked pretty fired up. If Moreno would have been anymore fired up, he'd have hyperventilated.

"Disgustipate wrote:

I know he was more of an assistant head coach/executive secretary than coordinator in Green Bay, and I know there's quite a bit of deference to his coordinators in Miami. Philbin isn't a scheme guy. He's a pick up the garbage, tuck-in the players guy.

Youre entitled to your opinion. I know several packers fans who hated to see him go and felt the loss almost immediately.

"PhinFan1968 wrote:

Overvalued trait IMHO. Carroll and Rex Ryan get their guys fired up. At this point, if grown men can't get their OWN units fired up for this type of game, I'm not sure a coach should be the fault.

One other thing I'm not sure Philbin's been given enough credit for is the talent level of this current team. Hickey goes out of his way to say their pickups in draft and free agency were "group" decisions between him, his crew, and Philbin.

We're deeper than we've been in a LONG time...as evidenced by today.

Well Rex got his team to the AFC Championship game TWICE and did well last year despite having crap for a roster in all instances. He had Sanchez as his QB and backed into the Finals TWICE. He got the team to play well even while having Geno Smith as his QB. They won today despite Smith playing like crap.

Carroll won in college and then won a SUPER BOWL last year.

Its not a necessary trait, but its certainly not overrated either. I'll take it over Philbin's deadpan anyday...unless Philbin proves to be a championship worthy coach.

"dcafiero wrote:

Youre entitled to your opinion. I know several packers fans who hated to see him go and felt the loss almost immediately.

Those Packers fans didn't actually know what his job involved and were generally afraid of messing with success than expressing a well-founded opinion.

"MrClean wrote:

Finnegan, Delmas, Davis, and the rest of the defense looked pretty fired up. If Moreno would have been anymore fired up, he'd have hyperventilated.

How much can that be attributed to Philbin though? We don't really know, but Im going by past experience. Philbin has never gotten the team to come out fired up. IMO I think the players hyped themselves up, Wake and Moreno mostly leading the charge. But I could be wrong.

"dcafiero wrote:

your basis for giving credit to everyone but jp is kind of ridic. Just like the rest of us you dont know how the gameplanning and adjustments go. Hell in his first season i remember people complimenting his great halftime adjustments in a few games. It sort of disgusts me when people think we win in SPITE of the HEAD COACH of the team. It even sounds ridiculous to just say. I also 100% disagree with getting the team fired up. They have bought into him. Its apparent.

We're both entitled to our opinions and since neither of us is in the locker room, we wont know. But judging by how last season went down, you can forgive me for being a little jaded on our HC. I wanted him initially in 2012 but I was a little worried when I read what his role with Green Bay was. After last year I was beginning to think those suspicious were justified. But hopefully he'll prove me wrong. But those last two games last year coupled with bullygate(not all his fault) really soured my view on him. Maybe this year will be different. But Im not completely sold yet that Philbin is a "leader of men" and get guys to play inspired.

"FinSane wrote:

Not speaking for Disgustipate but I dont have much confidence in Philbin as a HC, he doesnt get the team fired up and they don't seem to be as prepared as they should. Alot of the same mistakes from 2012 carried into 2013 and then into the first half of this game. Id give credit to Coyle and Lazor for halftime adjustments over giving Philbin much credit. At this point I think Philbin is just managing and not really having much of an impact on this team coaching wise. But this is just my humble opinion.

lol. If you don't think we were fired up today, ESPECIALLY during that second half, then I'm just going to assume you were watching another game.

"Rocky Raccoon wrote:

lol. If you don't think we were fired up today, ESPECIALLY during that second half, then I'm just going to assume you were watching another game.

Was that Philbin? Or Lazor/Coyle? Or individual players(Wake, Moreno)? We dont and wont know for sure.

"FinSane wrote:

Was that Philbin? Or Lazor/Coyle? Or individual players(Wake, Moreno)? We dont and wont know for sure.

Either way...the coaches "put them in position to succeed." That's also a motivator.

"Disgustipate wrote:

Those Packers fans didn't actually know what his job involved and were generally afraid of messing with success than expressing a well-founded opinion.

So you know more about JPs duties and doings in Green Bay than religious packers fans who follow their team like we do? Ehhhh.

"PhinFan1968 wrote:

Either way...the coaches "put them in position to succeed." That's also a motivator.

That's fair. The game plan and playcalling were superb. The execution was lacking at first but we got it together. Kudos all around to the staff and players.

"MrClean wrote:

Finnegan, Delmas, Davis, and the rest of the defense looked pretty fired up. If Moreno would have been anymore fired up, he'd have hyperventilated.

Morenos ritual game day is to stay the fu@& away from him..

I dig that..running back is a brutal position..temperament and violent finishing is a must..

"dcafiero wrote:

So you know more about JPs duties and doings in Green Bay than religious packers fans who follow their team like we do? Ehhhh.

Packers fans who are operating under the assumption Philbin had significant creative control in the Packers offense?

Yes, yes I do know more than those people. Because I read and pay attention.

"Disgustipate wrote:

Packers fans who are operating under the assumption Philbin had significant creative control in the Packers offense? Yes, yes I do know more than those people. Because I read and pay attention.

You dont know its just an assumption. Thats YOUR assumption. At the end of the day, he can have zero involvement or can be the only person that givea the nod for anything. We just dont know. But hes the head coach man.