Does Camarillo play ST? I know Hartline does, and does well. But I don't recall Cam making much of an impact there, if at all.

Next year will most likely be uncapped, which means Ginn will probably be back. I still think they should move him to Punt Returner, where he was better than KR in college.

Turner is even more disappointing than Ginn. He may end up getting cut.

 

Cam played ST in 07 and 08 I think HardKore.

I might disagree with Bess being 2nd best slot WR or that Hartline will be a VG #2 next year, but overall I would agree.

 

while i really appreciate Bess, especially the way he bounced back from his early season woes, the 2d best slot WR in the NFL sounds a bit inflated ?

Hartline shows some true promise .... how good a #2 he can be - we'll see by the end of this coming season.

CAM is a steady freddy .... a solid reliable WR - just not spectacular ....

 

Overall, a pretty good asessment in the OP imo.
IF Ginn ever plays up to potential, or we pick up a true thoroughbred, that is actually a very solid crew. Let's not forget Grice-Mullin.

 

Mario Manningham (assuming you don't have Nicks in the slot)
Steve Breaston
(Perhaps) Jason Avant
Percy Harvin
Robert Meachem (if you count him in the slot)
(Maybe) James Jones


There's at least 4, maybe 6, I would take over him.

 

To back up your opinion on Bess, PFF ranked as the 2nd best slot WR, just above Percy Harvin.

Hartline surprised me as well. He was a low level #2 this year. I think he will be a low to mid level #2 next year.

Cam was about even with Hartline this season. Unfortunately he doesn't have much upside.

Ginn has upside but there's also downside. On the upside the most you can hope for is and always has been a good #2. At this point, though he's nothing you can count on until he proves otherwise.

Turner is probably a bust. We haven't seen anything from him and there are rumblings from Dolphin players who've watched him in practice that we shouldn't expect to. He's another guy we can't count on.

So we have a great slot WR, a potentially mid-level #2, a low level #2 and two guys we can't count on.

 

Can you help me find the rankings on PFF for slot receivers? I can't find them.

Also, I'm not ready to give up on Turner yet. We all say Receivers need at least 3 years to develop, yet we give up on Turner after his first year.This isn't directed towards you, just talking in general.

 

I'm pretty sure it isn't broken down by (slot, flanker, split end), rather Welker is the only "slot" WR above Bess in the WR rankings.

Possibly worth noting is that PFF has Ginn rated as a better blocker than Bess. Also worth noting is that while Ginn had the 2nd most passes thrown in his direction, there was actually the fewest INTs off of passes intended for him (2).

 

As Stitches said they're not differentiated by the WR positions they play.

The thing about WRs is that they usually flash ability early even if they take three years to develop. Tuner has not flashed. We've seen less from him than we did from London or that other 3rd rounder a few years back whose name I'm blanking on.

 

I knew Hartline would be a player for us. I met and have kept in contact with some OSU fans over the last few years and they went on and on about him.

I was upset that we did not play him sooner over Ginn.

IMO the two most important things for a WR is to get open and to catch everything thrown to him. Anything else is a plus.

If you have a accurate QB and WRs that can get open and catch the ball you have a offense. In this case you do not really need to make big plays in your passing game IF YOU CAN STOP BIG PLAYS IN THEIR PASSING GAME.

Pennington showed that to us last year.

I mentioned this on a "lesser" Dolphin fan site and I was told you cannot use Ginn in the slot because he is too fast..............

IMO, Ginn should be used as a kick returner and from time to time as a slot WR. Then let a nickel back or safety try to cover him.

Anyone beside me old enough to remember the Rams that went to the Super Bowl?

That thinking reminded me of Saban's last year when we never moved Chris Chambers. He lined up in the exact same spot 92% of the time.

 

Also Hines Ward lined up in the slot a lot this year with the emergence of Mike Wallace.

 

If we had a Moss like receiver then you would really see Bess light it up.

 

What this team is missing is a bona fide #1 WR. Can you imagine how effective a Boldin or Bryant or even TO...a receiver of that ilk would be with Fast Teddy on the other side and then sprinkle in Bess, Hartline and Cammy as you please ?? Make no mistake, we will miss Ted's speed if he is dumped for this yet-to-be-acquired #1 WR....

With the whole offseason dedicated to tailoring the offense around Henne's strength (vs. Pennys' strengths last offseason), look for the O to be improved whether or not that #1 guy is acquired. But to get to the next level, one or two playmakers have to be added, particularly at the TE and WR spots...

 

The new star of the Chi Bears...Aromashodu...??

 

Aromashodu was a 7th rounder. i think the other poster was referring to Derek Hagan.

 

I'll tell you who else is going to be a dam good slot guy, The Pats Julian Edelman.

That kid is tough as nails, and you saw it this past weekend.

 

Not only that, a true #1 will help open the run game up more also. Cause a #1 can demand double coverage. Basically forcing a defense to pick its poison. I think keeping Ginn is a good thing.

 

I was real impressed with Hartline this year. IMO he can become a very good #2 if he continues to progress off of a very successful rookie year. I think we are in desperate need of a #1 and if we do keep Ginn (which I'm not gonna comment on here) and we give Turner a pass for being a rookie (and a 3rd round draft pick), we may end up letting Cam go.

There are going to be some very tough decisions to be made in the next few months. While it would be great to bring in a stud WR, how does that weight against the other needs of the team (NT, ILB, S, TE)? Are we good enough with our WRs such that we focus high draft picks on defense? Or vice versa given the return of our injured players on defense? To be really good, we need to upgrade at several positions. It'll be very interesting to see how the front office approaches this offseason and what they prioritize.

 

Love the breakdown, dude can you imagine what this offense would be like if they had a legit stud #1 WR.....they could literally run an offense alla 2007 Pats, come out on the opening drive empty backfield, 5 wide....wow!!! I get the willies thinking about it....

Only point I disagree with is you saying that other teams fear Ginn, I really think no team fears him. I think they all acknowledge that he could break one. But how many articles have to read about his rep around the league as being soft, that all you have to do is jam him at the line, and he cant separate from it...

 

dude stop going to finheaven they s*ck!!!!! lol....I remember you on there with prez and we all had the best thread in the history of threads about Donnie Jones......good to be back in such company...

 

Hartline, Bess, Camarillo

 

GinnJr is a bust & @ very best trade bait for 2010. the guy doesn't belong in the NFL. been up to bat three times & struck out three times. three years of nothing = bust, it is the rule on WR's in the NFL. unless you want to see if he can play QB, its over. forget about it. not going to happen. they already tried to dump him once in 2009 with no takers. good bye & good luck GinnBoy. no mais! por favor, acaba com isso. it's over.

 

If he is this so called bust you talk about, how can you trade that which has no value? So you want 3 possession receivers who can't stretch the field? The kid had a bad year, he is better then what he showed, we need to make sure not to leave any stone unturned with him. You just never know. I cheer for him, cause i want him to succeed, since after all he is a dolphin atm. That and i cheer for the underdog.

 

1. "Been up to bat three times and struck out". False. Rookie year, didn't play much, but did all right. Second year, did very well, going for almost 800 yards on a terrible team. Year three, struggled.

2. "Three years of nothing is the rule". False. There is no "rule" about receivers. He hasn' had three years of "nothing"...and many receivers take four years.

 

Did play much his rookie year????? He played in all 16 games....how is that not playing much....he has had plenty of playing time.....bootom line you need to look at him and evaluate his skill set....when everything goes off perfectly he breaks it, but when does that ever happen...we need guys who make their own plays....I'll root for him cuz he is a phin, but in the end...he isn't worth it.....

what killed me on him this year, was on top of grabbing his shoestring to tackle him, that is, if he doesn't fall to the ground himself, not being able to get off the line, no route running ability, low football IQ, etc etc....there was a couple of big games late in the year, when given the chance to make a play late in the game he dropped it...so now he is starting to get the gagger label on top of everything else......but hey at least he busts his butt....

 

Bess is not the best slot receiver in the league, aside from Welker. But he is good.

A very good #2 is Anquan Boldin, Donald Driver, TJ Housh. Hartline isn't even close to that level. Right now Hartline isn't even at the level of Pierre Garcon.

Ginn is a deep threat and little else as a WR. But the same could be said of DeSean Jackson. They just use him better.

Camarillo is a very good #4.

Pat Turner is a waste. His only role is #1 WR, and he is not that.

 

about the 2010 Receiving Corp:
BrianHartline, Bess & Camarillo are the three you can depend on to start
after that, there are prospects:
1) Brennan Marion should return
2) Ryan Grice-Mullen is a new acquisition & current WR CFL star
3) jury is still out on Pat Turner who still could turn the corner
4) whoever we draft @ WR this year (Dez Bryant seems to generate a lot of talk)
5) Patrick White should get a shot the slot/wr position
6) GinnJr. is gone, history, trade bait, whatever, the guy is a bust
7) don't see us going into free-agency looing for a play-maker @ WR.

my money would be on a play-maker on defense, NT or ILB

 

Whoa now - dude didn't even have 300 yards this season - and got over half his yards in one game.