I will say it again and again. We need to contact Denver this year and get Paxton Lynch..

BIG strong armed QB that is creative and mobile!!

 

There is no quick qb fix for the phins. Worst possibly thing that could of happened was losing to Cleveland on the finding a qb front. That team is also a dumpster fire so its unlikely they finish with a better record than us.

I feel like this team needs a hard reset. Unlikely gase is gone unless we finish with like 3 wins. So, if they feel like hes the guy they need to just let him clean house. I would trade off any of our aging assets before the trade deadline. This current team is the biggest dumpster fire its been since Cam Cameron.

 

Is this poll for 2017 or the rest of this season?

 

Thanks Bro. Like many, I'm not sold on RT17. 2 decent games, an inconsistent 1 and a real stinker. I just don't believe there are any better options available today. I don't live in the past or future. Who is the best option right now is my question?

 

Rest of the season.

 

You roll with tannehill for the rest of the season, and then release him.

My guess tho is he gets benched, Moore has a quicker release and makes faster decisions, I think Gase wants to see his offense work and he wants to see what players are going to be able to produce for him in year 2. So Moore gives him a chance to see what hes got from the rest of his team.

 

As far as I'm concerned, right now is all that matters.

 

Tannehill deserves until this team is mathematically eliminated from playoffs. At that point, probably worth seeing what Doughty or someone else on the roster could do. Trading for someone to try and salvage this season would be a terrible idea. This team is in flush it all and rebuild mode.

 

Tannehill will start the rest of the season unless he gets injured.

My only concern is that he flashes his skills once we are eliminated and we roll the dice again next year on him.

I'm of the belief that his time in Miami needs to be over.
Love the guy, love him off the field, love his heart. I just don't think he is a good QB, nor do I think he will ever be.

 

Oddly enough I think if you plan on keeping him? You bench him if he starts out of the gate anywhere similar to the last few games.

Sounds odd but if you plan on keeping him beyond this season you have to send him some sort of a message in hopes of it bringing some thing out of him that has been missing. If not just keep letting him play it out until we are mathematically eliminated then let the kid from Kentucky get some time just for the hell of it.

 

That has happened before and failed.

When Philbin threatened him in a passive aggressive way he came out playing like an all pro. When his job security gets threatened he plays at a high level. It becomes fools gold because he can't sustain that level of consistency once things calm down.

He reminds me of that sales guy with all the talent in world that is a slacker, threatened with being fired and becomes a superstar only to revert back to sucking once the pressure is off. I've hired and fired guys like that for years.

 

I shudder to think how awful Matt Moore would be at this point as a starter. He's new to the playbook and hasn't played any significant time since 2011. He's literally sat on the bench for 5 years. You can't shake off that kind of rust in just a few weeks. To me, you should move on from a back-up like that on principle. I'd rather have a back-up that was at least playing a year or two back on a crap team or something. So, for me, I see a move to Moore as a conscious decision to tank.

If you did go away from Tannehill I think you'd have to go to Doughty. That way you tank but you at least get Doughty some snaps and you get to see a little bit of what his upside might be.

For me, I'd stick with Tannehill because even if he's not the guy, I want to know whether it's worth re-negotiating his deal and keeping him around. I think that might actually be an option. I think he may have a sit-down at the end of the year when the Dolphins show him that if he were released he likely wouldn't be a starter anywhere. Miami might be in a position where the tear up his current contract but re-signed him to low-caliber starter money in order to keep him around for 2017 so that they can use that offseason to build the team.

That's just a thought but it might be the best scenario for both teams. Instead of Ryan being cut outright and going somewhere to be a backup, he could agree to terminate the current deal and re-sign in Miami to make decent money and start next year. From Miami's perspective they'd get a little stability at QB over the next year or two so that they could rebuild the defense, O-line and go BPA should an elite TE or RB fall in their laps during the draft.

To me, that kind of Tannehill is actually an asset if you're committed to rebuilding. He'd be a very good QB for a rebuilding team because he's so tough.

 

You have to figure Tannehill gives us the best shot of winning games, or he wouldn't have been the starter to begin with. If we're trying to win games, you stick with Tannehill. Under no scenario should Moore be the starter. If you think the season is over, you start Doughty, giving him real reps in real games, and see what he's got. In that scenario, the team would obviously be moving on from Tannehill, so you're evaluating Doughty and figuring out which QB we're drafting in next year's draft.

 

This is correct.

 

Agree, and at this point I don't see any real point in continuing to start Tannehill. We're not getting into the playoffs, so it's better to see what Doughty has to offer.

I mean the worst thing is to repeat what happened during that Suck for Luck campaign, win a bunch of meaningless games, and lose out on a better long term prospect at the most important position.

 

I think if he shows us consistency over the course of the season we can keep him for next season. By consistency I mean something like a 95+ QB rating, 2:1 TD to int, 65%+ completion, 7.5+ YPA, as well as the eye test.

He needs to show that he is getting better with regards to pocket presence and footwork and not having those terrible games where he freezes up in the pocket and keeps taking sack after sack and eventually turnovers. I think that's his biggest weakness right now and has been the last couple of years.

Strangely the whole statue thing wasn't that bad in his rookie season and he did seem to be able to move and avoid sacks in the first two games this season. That's his problem, it's like every week he resets and doesn't seem to build on what he was able to do the week before, he needs to string together stretches of good games.

 

Yeah, I think I agree. It's funny, I'm sure if I did a poll, most people would say that I'm a "Tannehill lover," but it's not what I am. I've always argued against what I thought were unreasonable expectations or criticisms of the guy...but here we are in year 5, and he really just isn't dynamic enough.

I don't think he's a bad QB, but I'm startng to agree he's not going to be successful here. Better to throw Doughty out and see what he's got, and do whatever it takes to get the best QB next April, or whenever the draft is. LOL

 

Anything we do right now except ride the horse that brung ya' is going to be a born out of panic and pandemonium driven out of futility/anger/frustration Tannenbaum led Clusterflop (cleaned that up just a bit... Thanks, George!)

 

I still hold to that prediction made before the season that Tannehill's stats IF he starts the rest of the way will end up better than previous years.

The reason I'm against him starting is I think it's becoming more and more clear the mental side of the game is just something he's never going to be good enough at. He processes information too slowly and I don't think that's due to the coaches or OL or anything else. This season has been good in basically giving us that experiment where you allow Tannehill to have more control at the line of scrimmage with better (not great) pass protection.

He still processes information too slowly. Like how he just can't get the ball snapped quickly even when we have little time on the clock. Or how he is mentally (not visually) blind to pressure because he can't process too many things at once (this is the most likely explanation for the pocket presence issue). Or how he doesn't recognize when it's best to shift in the pocket or run.. mostly it has to be designed.

These mental issues just won't go away. He's got all the physical tools but not the football intelligence. So yes I'd predict his stats will be better if Gase starts him all the way, but I'm done with him 100% at this point.

 

Threatened yes. Pulled in game? Not yet.

We have to try something if comes out in the 1st half and looks anywhere near like he did Thu night.

That being said as far as a long term for the season, no need to completely take his job until we are mathematically eliminated from the playoffs.

 

Roll with tannehill until we are eliminated unless we start losing high scoring shootouts in which it is crystal clear the defence is the reason we our losing.

 

Which is why I included the "eye test" part. I think it would be foolish to let him go if he significantly improved both statistically and clearly "on film". Though I find this highly unlikely to happen.

 

Brett Favre

 

I'd love to see Gase just pick his own QB and keep progressing with Tannehill.

 

I have rooted for Tannehill and I have pulled for him to succeed but it is all too obvious that he is not the answer we hoped he would be. A true "Franchise" quarterback should be capable at times of putting the team on his back and carrying them when they struggle but Tannehill is not that quarterback. I wish it wasn't so but it is what it is.

 

The problem isn't that Tannehill has not evolved in to a franchise QB. The problem is that Tannehill hasn't evolved in to an even subpar QB. I can live with a top 15 QB. What we can't live with is a QB at the bottom of the league.

 

Cian Fahey and PFF had Tannehill in their top 10 at QB until Thursdays game. I doubt that will be the case this week. Tannehill had a bad game on the road on a short week. No more/no less. Not sure what everyone is expecting.

 

I'm talking about the overall body of work. Yes his OL has been suspect.. But with 4+ years do you believe our overall record would be significantly worse with any number of the QB bottom dwellers in this league?

If the answer is no then you have to move on. It's not that Tannehill is a terrible QB. It's that he's not good enough to make a discernable difference but he is getting paid like one that should.

 

While I don't believe Tannehill is the long term solution at QB for the Dolphins, he is the best QB on the roster at this time. Moore isn't the same QB he was when he took over for Henne several years ago. I don't think starting him would serve any useful purpose in building for the future.

If after 9-10 games the Dolphins are out of play off contention, I would have no problem with turning the starting job over to Doughty to see if he can show any development as a starter over the final games of the season.

Other than Garroppolo, I really wouldn't have any desire to see the Dolphins go after any backups on teams around the league. The chance of them being able to work out a trade for Garropollo is slim and none because I believe he will end up being Brady's permanent replacement in a year or two.

With a top 5 pick in next years draft, which I believe the Dolphins will have, they should be able to draft one of the top QB's in the draft.

Unfortunately having to select a QB with that selection is going to prevent them from selecting a top defensive player with that pick. Yet they need to find a young QB to build this team around. With all the needs on defense, along with needs on the OL, at RB and TE, this has become a complete rebuilding job after this season.

So sit back and prepare yourself for at last three more years of the same old Dolphins. Hopefully though, this time they will rebuild the team the right way. Of course for that to happen Ross needs to fire Tannebaum and hire a head of football operations who actually knows what he is doing.

That might be asking too much of an owner who has yet to show he knows how to run a successful football organization.

 

We've been fixing the OL since Tannehill got here and it's becoming indisputable that Tannehill doesn't help the OL by either holding the ball too long or not having the awareness or ability to step up in the pocket.

It's a combination that hasn't worked for half a decade and one not worth going to in to 2017 with a 20 million dollar hook on a team that has been below .500 since his arrival.

Life isn't fair and the organizational ineptitutde since his arrival isn't fair but it's time to move on. Either his career ends like Henne or he finds success elsewhere, either way it's highly unlikely it's a decision we will regret especially if Gase is the main proponent of the move.

This is all predicated on things staying the same. If he tears it up the rest of the year this narrative may change.

 

I'm of the belief that all teams suffer setbacks, injuries and other challenges. That's life in the NFL. It's how teams react that matters.

I don't think Tannehill has the ability to rise above less than perfect circumstances. Hopefully I am wrong and you are correct.

 

I'm certainly not arguing that Tannehill is the is the long term answer. I think the FO was negligent for years by not drafting a legit QB to compete with him. What I am saying is that I believe he gives the Dolphins the best chance to win today and that's all I really care about. I don't care about next year. I'll deal with that then. I root for the Dolphins to win every game and that's not going to change anytime soon.

I'm just tired of people bashing the only hope we really have.

 

I'm not sure hope is the correct word. We all have hope for better things but after this amount of time that hope should have started translating in to results.

Logic has to overtake hope if enough evidence starts pointing in a certain direction. Personally I've lost most of the hope I had for Tannehill because in my eyes he is at best an average QB in this league getting paid like a top 10 talent.

How much longer does this team have to wait? The fan base is dwindling locally, the offense has been stagnant for way too long. Tannehill does not IMHO, provide the spark, energy or playmaking ability to give us the hope we so desperately need. A dynamic QB may very well be the spark we need. It's all moot anyways until Gase decides the direction he wants to go in.

 

Who do you want to replace Tannehill with - Moore or Doughty?

 

Neither. I think he should continue to be the starter until we are mathematically eliminated or the season is complete. At that point I'll trust Gase and the braintrust to move in the right direction.

However if Gase decides to go in a different direction this year I'll have no objection to it.