Can someone explain to me the inconsistency of the calls that claimed Pouncey was false starting and drawing them off sides?
He does the exact same move each and every time prior to getting set and prior to snapping. He squats and pauses when Tannehill lifts his leg (which lots of QBs do and Center's do); and then waits and squats and sets the 2nd time prior to actual snap.
In fact I watched the game again, and prior games, and he is totally 100% consistent with his movement to get set and snap, and its only in the Colts game - and only if Colts jumped off sides - that refs said it was a false start. I know Baseball and Football dont always equate, but in this instance it to me like a pitcher coming to a set position in the stretch, and thus no balk if you are 100% consistent in how you come to the set position each and every time whether you try to pick off the runner, or throw a pitch to the batter. Its about being consistent and repeating consistently your personal pattern.
That to me is total BS what the refs were calling on him. If you are 100% consistent, and thus not getting called 100% of the time for a false start, how the heck can you be called for a false start because the DL didnt hold their water and in fact jumped off sides on their own.
BS calls. And cop outs from Refs and the Colts DL jumping the snap count.:pity:
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Rewatch it on ones they didnt call, mainly because no Colt was "drawn" offsides...he is 100% consistent on his actions on the non-snap set as well as the actual snap set.....100% consistent. The film doesnt support that he did something different on the ones called.
the only difference is that the DL jumped so they called it on Pouncey.
If anyone has the .gifs to compare please post...cause the ones they called didnt match up to any head snap or body shake compared to all the snaps they didnt call it on. -
The refs will be eagerly looking to check their mailbox after this game.
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According to a post on Twitter, Pouncey was told not to do that. Everytime he did that and Colts jumped, they flagged him.
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So they don't call it if no DL jumped and he did it? And again, not sure what "it" is they say he did, vs what he actually did...but he was 100% consistent in his actions. I do not see any head snapping action that is being alluded to. I see his squat and not snap and then squat and actually snap.
Doesn't it sound illogical to only call a false start when the D jumps, and not simply a false start (like for any other OL player) regardless of whether DL jumps or not? Something isnt adding up with what he "supposedly" did, and when they would call it. -
on the flag play near the end of the game he most certainly snaps his head from a tucked position,( he's looking at Ryan between his legs and then snaps it back into A solid fundamental position) now whether or not that's illegal in the way he did it is whats in question I believe.
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I believe the rule is vague, something like a movement intended to induce the D... I also believe that he has done the same thing on ever snap his entire career.
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But he does that exact same move all the time as part of his consistent pattern of play......
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Exactly....that what was so frustrating.
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The league wants its new star in the playoffs.....ofcourse they are going to get the benefit of the doubt.
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I have seen it not called on a lot of occasions also.
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Oh sh&$, I remember when he was coming out of college I commented on how he goes thru this process of looking at the Qb between his legs right before he snaps, and whether or not it was a "tell" for the opponent..From what I saw in this game he's just doing it a lot more forcefully.,
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All centers look through their legs and then bring their head up prior to the snap to look at their blocking assignments. I am thinking Pouncey SNAPS his head up instead on bringing it up slowly like most. Perhaps this is why he is being flagged??
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When was he told? He's had the same pre-snap routine for 23 games without incident.
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Some do it differently, some pause a beat or two after they get their head back to proper position, what I saw in college is as soon as Pouncey brings it into position the ball is snapped..so if I was a defender I could key on that.
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Actually the one call was totally legit. It wasn't about his butt movement he usually does. His arm twitched and his butt actually twitched (nothing to do with the up/down thing he does). I mentioned it when it happened in the game thread.
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Colts were definitely keying on his snap too which only made the false starts more significant. Of course if we could throw/block a screen that might actually slow down their edge rush but i digress... i've seen this called on one other team that we happened to be playing... forget who it was... it's rare though. And to see it called on the game's most important drive smells rotten.
Do we make an adjustment is the question I have... Do we see Incog looking back instead of Pouncey for the qb to lift his foot. -
Stupid rule! The guy doing the snap should be able to move as much as he requires to snap the ball. If any of his team mates move before the ball is snapped, or the defence, THEN a penalty should be applied. You are discussing a players involentary (possibly) movements, and he is being called for them. This is obviously plain stupid to be called a penalty for. In Rugby Union, at a scrummage, the offence cannot push, or defence for that matter, move before the ball in put into play by the scrum half (man doing the snap, in effect).