Practical Ramifications Of The Mess/Pouncey's Trade Value

"Philbinfan wrote:

I have seen this mentioned in other posts. People are always all over the map on these issues.

I think that now, most are starting to understand the kind of real pressure that is going to be on the Dolphin Organization to bring change to the team culture.

Pressure from the NFL office,enormous media pressure, even pressure from fans; pressure from everywhere.

Some of us are going to need to change our mock drafts and our expectations when it comes to free agents. Character is going to be a HUGE issue with the players being released,traded,or acquired.

So what do you think Pouncey's trade value is???????

He is, of course, a Pro Bowl caliber talent.

He is only 24 years old.

He is still on his rookie contract.

He was drafted with the #15 pick in the draft and has fulfilled expectations.

I think he is worth original draft value. The point total given to the number 15 pick. I don't however expect that high of compensation, but I would expect something close. The OG and OC market really isn't that good, especially considering that it looks like Mack and Schwartz won't hit the market. I doubt if Evan Deitrich-Smith hits it either.

He might be facing suspension though. I don't think we can get anything higher than a second for him, unfortunately.

We aren't gunna trade Pouncey, nor should we.

I'd use this negative publicity to leverage locking him up to a cheaper long term deal :up:

I could see the league cutting a deal with us where if we trade Pouncey away to gut the team of everyone with involvement, they'll take the next pick after whatever we get as punishment. If we want to keep him, the punishment is worse.

We need to close this chapter, and if we got a 3rd for him and forfeited our 3rd or 4th in the process I'd be happy.

ETA: I see a deep team with an older center being the team where he'd go, hopefully a NFC one at that. He's sitting out the first half of 2014 as a lock, I think.

He's reaching the point where his issues are seriously problematic.

I think you certainly have to review the possibility that he'll get his **** together, because right now he's got multiple outstanding issues that have the potential to come to a head and keep him off the field.

Pouncey is a garbage human being and a cancer in the locker room and his value is fixing on plummeting once the league hands out their punishment.

Well, they say free agency begins at the combine.http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/How-NFL-free-agency-really-works-2784.html

I would expect several teams will be talking to the Dolphins and Pouncey's agent about his future.

This was a pretty good article. I wasn't aware that they were allowed to schedule formal meetings at the combine.

"Makados10 wrote:

I'd use this negative publicity to leverage locking him up to a cheaper long term deal :up:

This guy is turning into someone you really don't want around young players..........and here we are primed to draft 2 or 3 players over 7 rounds to that OL.

I don't know that I would flip him for a pick. But an OL player swap I'd be favorable to.

"Jimmy James wrote:

I could see the league cutting a deal with us where if we trade Pouncey away to gut the team of everyone with involvement, they'll take the next pick after whatever we get as punishment. If we want to keep him, the punishment is worse.

We need to close this chapter, and if we got a 3rd for him and forfeited our 3rd or 4th in the process I'd be happy.

ETA: I see a deep team with an older center being the team where he'd go, hopefully a NFC one at that. He's sitting out the first half of 2014 as a lock, I think.

Is there any precedence for this kind of scenario?

I think this just waaayyy too dismal.

Let's see. If you're a GM for another NFL team what would you offer for a young pro-bowl caliber player on his rookie contract who is:
1) Facing what is probably a 4-8 game suspension for the start of the year. Making him mostly useless for 2014 since you'll need another NFL starting quality center on your roster for 2014
2) Is on the leagues black book and will be facing heavy suspensions for any further infractions while being under extreme scrutiny
3) Is a known drug risk
4) Is a known publicity problem due to his support for Hernandez and Incognito
5) Thanks to 3 & 4 it is also safe to assume he is serious risk for committing a felony whilst under contact.

I seriously doubt anyone would offer more than a 6th or 7th. Maybe a 5th of you were desperate.
In other words he probably has roughly the same trade value as Jonathon Martin.

"Mk2 wrote:

Pouncey is a garbage human being and a cancer in the locker room and his value is fixing on plummeting once the league hands out their punishment.

A garbage human being, huh? lol

I believe there to be several realistic destinations for Pouncey. Here is one you may not have thought of. The Rams.

Scott Wells is old and he sucks.He could be cut any day now. http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/2940/scott-wells

Rams have some serious cap issues this year.

The Rams could save over 2 mil in cap by releasing Wells and trading for Pouncey; all while significantly upgrading their line.

"Disgustipate wrote:

He's reaching the point where his issues are seriously problematic.

I think you certainly have to review the possibility that he'll get his **** together, because right now he's got multiple outstanding issues that have the potential to come to a head and keep him off the field.

I don't know if he has any trade value, to be honest.

Bad in the locker room? check

Proud recreational drug user? check

Associates with alleged murderer? check

Potentially faces charges in some of said murderer's escapades? check, though not sure how likely an indictment is

Who exactly says "I need this guy for my team; get the Dolphins on the phone?"

Pouncey is cancer. Release him and start doing the right thing.

We have to entice others onto this ol and having Pouncey, Turner, Jerry, and any other numpty present will affect their decisions.. I don't mind losing or not gaining a pick for a horrible human who supports Cogs and the murderer Hernandez. In fact what should happen is we be fined by the league, lose all the idiots put our hands up and say sorry.

Saying sorry to
1) FANS
2) Martin and welcome him back for having the absolute massive balls for not committing suicide and bringing this situation up therefore maybe even saving some young lineman's life
3) NFL for bringing the game into disrepute

So to recap sack the lot involved, apologise and take any punishment given and welcome back Martin (I know he's no good as a player. But near fresh start and let him fight for a roster spot)

I want to see if anything happens from the league about the extortion "fine" book, as far as financial and other incentives in bullying. There are a lot of things in this report that the league will have to address.

"TopLoader wrote:

Pouncey is cancer. Release him and start doing the right thing.

We have to entice others onto this ol and having Pouncey, Turner, Jerry, and any other numpty present will affect their decisions.. I don't mind losing or not gaining a pick for a horrible human who supports Cogs and the murderer Hernandez. In fact what should happen is we be fined by the league, lose all the idiots put our hands up and say sorry.

Saying sorry to
1) FANS
2) Martin and welcome him back for having the absolute massive balls for not committing suicide and bringing this situation up therefore maybe even saving some young lineman's life
3) NFL for bringing the game into disrepute

So to recap sack the lot involved, apologise and take any punishment given and welcome back Martin (I know he's no good as a player. But near fresh start and let him fight for a roster spot)

You want to bring Martin BACK?!? Are you serious?

I'm not going to say Incognito was the good guy... but when someone doesn't even like themselves, or lets what people say determine how they feel about themselves... they aren't strong willed individuals. I know... I've been there personally. And that isn't the kind of player who helps you win games as build a winning culture.

And on top of that... he just flat out isn't good.

At this point you aren't going to get fair trade offers for Pouncey, so you might as well keep him and hope that after 7 years of being an adult he will finally mature. 7 years and counting.

There are obviously really hard feelings between Garner and Pouncey. What do they do with that situation??

The reality of this situation is that by the time March 11th gets here, or even early May with the draft, things will calm down, and there is a very good chance that the free agent market for centers and guards may be one of the worst ever.

Right now it is likely that Mack,Evan Dietrich-Smith,and Geoff Schwartz will all be retained by their present teams, leaving very few free agents that are at all appealing.

Pouncey may indeed have significant value.

Richie's lawyers are going to do their job, and Pouncey himself will benefit.

It is likely IMO that the Dolphins will act quickly in regard to Martin. If they can get something from the 49ers,Cardinals,Saints,etc. they will take it of course, otherwise I don't think they will wait long to release him.

When Martin signs with another team, and there is no harm done, it will be hard to bring cases against Pouncey and Jerry. Incognito was obviously the leader and instigator.

I hope Garner and Pouncey can fix their issues. Garner is a quality back up, when someone goes down he goes in and does his job. I never felt comfortable of him as a full time starter but he is valuable for depth.

Didn't read the report, and I honestly don't care for it, but why is Pouncey being treated like a monster?

"PhinsFan93 wrote:

Didn't read the report, and I honestly don't care for it, but why is Pouncey being treated like a monster?

From the report he was actively involved in harassing other players and an assistant trainer.

From outside the report - he is an active recreational drug user; a public supporter of Hernandez; and an active supporter of Incognito.

"Pauly wrote:

Let's see. If you're a GM for another NFL team what would you offer for a young pro-bowl caliber player on his rookie contract who is:
1) Facing what is probably a 4-8 game suspension for the start of the year. Making him mostly useless for 2014 since you'll need another NFL starting quality center on your roster for 2014
2) Is on the leagues black book and will be facing heavy suspensions for any further infractions while being under extreme scrutiny
3) Is a known drug risk
4) Is a known publicity problem due to his support for Hernandez and Incognito
5) Thanks to 3 & 4 it is also safe to assume he is serious risk for committing a felony whilst under contact.

I seriously doubt anyone would offer more than a 6th or 7th. Maybe a 5th of you were desperate.
In other words he probably has roughly the same trade value as Jonathon Martin.

So if someone is around drugs and has a friend in jail, he's a serious risk for committing a felony? You should let the cops know about this...it would revolutionize law enforcement worldwide!

"DPlus47 wrote:

I don't know if he has any trade value, to be honest.

Bad in the locker room? check

Proud recreational drug user? check

Associates with alleged murderer? check

Potentially faces charges in some of said murderer's escapades? check, though not sure how likely an indictment is

Who exactly says "I need this guy for my team; get the Dolphins on the phone?"

You forgot supports murderers.