Question to those Guzzling the Tanny Haterade....

"resnor wrote:

I think that an average QB can look good behind a good oline, with a good defense. I say you fix the oline, fix the defense, and get a legit #1 receiver. If Tanehill still isn't what you want once those things are in place, then you start drafting. Until then, it's a waste of high picks if you draft QB's. Of course, I also think that Tannehill will look amazing behind a good oline with a legit #1 receiver on the field making plays.

I could not agree more. What you are seeing with the supporting cast out there is why we didn't have a chance of landing Manning a few years ago. I don't think he believed we could surround him with the talent he needed to win.

Don't waste high draft picks on a QB when you have so many other needs. Get the O-line fixed so that we become a QB friendly environment. That way IF Tannehill isn't the guy in the next couple of years we either have a chance of getting a high profile QB, or we get the offense ready to give a young QB a real chance to grow.

The bright side to this whole thing is that for a brief period before Albert got hurt, we saw that we are fixable. Give the GM another off season to get his people in place and I think we have a unit that can protect.

Spending a precious first round draft pick on a QB when we have a gaping hole on the offensive line and needs at virtually every skill position would cause me to explode with anger.

"Pennington's Limp Arm wrote:

So college quarterbacks are playing the spread?Sounds like rainbows and superbowls for the Dolphins then...That's why the question is directed to the people who do care and want Tannehill gone. What's next if he is gone?

If RT gets fired from Miami, there will be someone else. He's not a world beater...maybe someone else will be.

"jcliving wrote:

He does need to get better. Your statement that replacing him is not an issue is completely wrong. We can do better, but I do not see a single QB available next year that I would pick to replace him. Things may change by the offseason, but I believe my opinion will not change.

But you don't make that call. Someone who isn't playing now will be playing next year, and probably better than RT.

"Tin Indian wrote:

Thill has shown enough that I have no problem moving ahead with him. Is he there yet? Nope. But he looks better all the time and that is all I can ask at this point. Other than one season with a gimpy armed Pennington he has clearly been the best Qb this team has had since Marino.We could always try to bring Cleo Lemon back if you guys are interested in going that route.

I love how you guys act like if we want Tannehill replaced, we must want to replace him with the worst quarterback that Miami has ever had.that is absolutely hysterical!

You are going to need to replace Moore sooner than later and bring in a developmental guy, so ideally you're going to want to get someone who can make a push on his own to try and take the lead.

"HogsHDFinsfan wrote:

But you don't make that call. Someone who isn't playing now will be playing next year, and probably better than RT.

I highly doubt any of the QBs in this draft will be playing better than RT, especially next season. Its another Jamarcus Russel and Brady Quinn draft IMO.

"Pennington's Limp Arm wrote:

What is your exit strategy?

I want you to show me in this thread that there is a better way.
It's easy to say there are 19 better quarterbacks in the league (or whatever your # is), but show me how you think Tannehill can be replaced... because Aaron Rodgers isn't walking through the door any time soon.

-Are you thinking there is a better option we can sign in the offseason?
-Would you draft a QB in the 1st round this year? and do you think a franchise QB will be available in the 15-20 range (who)?
-Realistic Trade?
-Draft a QB to develop slowly and re-sign Moore (or vet) to start for a year or two?

I'm a loyal Tannehill supporter, but show me what options are out there. Open my eyes to this better life without Tannehill if you will.

I'll even give you a hand with research.... 2015 free agent QB's:
http://www.spotrac.com/free-agents/nfl/quarterback/

Here are some posible answers from these erudites:

1) That's the GM's job! (you know, whining continuously is a form of art)

2) I don't care! I just want a competent QB (you know, easiest answer in the history of questions)

3) I like "x", "y" and "z" (you know, the shotgun approach, if one or more of those starts looking good they'll be able to say I told you so)

"TooGoodForDez wrote:

He isn't a solution, not right now.

You sir no nothing about football. RT is the best QB we've had since Marino, and you want to discard him like starting QB's just fall into your lap, just like that. Absurd!! Fix the O-line and at least one more weapon, if he fails at that point we all have our answer. If you put Brady behind our line he would look no better. Don't think thats the case? Watch the Bills Packer game and see what happens to a top QB under constant duress.

"jldolfan wrote:

You sir no nothing about football. RT is the best QB we've had since Marino, and you want to discard him like starting QB's just fall into your lap, just like that. Absurd!! Fix the O-line and at least one more weapon, if he fails at that point we all have our answer. If you put Brady behind our line he would look no better. Don't think thats the case? Watch the Bills Packer game and see what happens to a top QB under constant duress.

The great QB's would be succeeding with the talent this team has. Tannehill has shown that he will be a good but never great QB. Andrew Luck is winning his division 3 straight years and the team around him other than his receivers is god awful. Do you remember a lot of those Peyton Manning indy teams around him? He carried them. the great QB's can carry you.

"fins104 wrote:

The great QB's would be succeeding with the talent this team has. Tannehill has shown that he will be a good but never great QB. Andrew Luck is winning his division 3 straight years and the team around him other than his receivers is god awful. Do you remember a lot of those Peyton Manning indy teams around him? He carried them. the great QB's can carry you.

No QB i've seen in recent years are under as much pressure as RT has had to deal with. Manning had TIME TO THROW! I'm not saying RT is perfect, he has parts of his game that needs to improve, but we knew when we drafted him he needed work. In my eyes he's improve in spite of the poor talent around him. Manning had Harrison and Wayne and Luck has Wayne and Hilton not to mention 2 very good TE, we have no one near their talent on out roster. I'm sorry I can't buy your comparison, it doesnt hold water. I'll say it again, lets improve the talent around him and see what we have. I would love to see what RT looks like with 4-5 seconds to scan the field like top QB's have.

The problem with.......fix the rest of the team and the QB will be much better is.......Tanny will be paid HUGE MONEY before the rest of the team is fixed. Then it will be to late to........FIND OUT. You should KNOW before you PAY. and I don't know if he is the answer yet, but I'm leaning toward the NO side.

"resnor wrote:

How can anyone say the second pick was on Tannehill? Browner smashed Miller, doubling him over before the ball got there, causing the ball to deflect off the top back of Miller's helmet. GTFO. The first was on Tannehill, but show me a QB who doesn't throw a bad pass that gets picked off??

Agreed. I thought that was a clear PI. But even the first one may not have been entirely on RT. According to the post game interviews there was a mistake on the coverage read. There was no word on whether it was on the part of RT or Gibson, but this system often requires throws to a spot so if the WR reads it wrong an accurate pass may look inaccurate. Not absolving RT since we don't have the facts, but I would caution against those jumping to conclusions without the facts.

The problem is that every QB is going to look like trash if they have the same sort of offensive line trotted out week after week that Tannehill has had to endure his entire career. Every QB is going to have deep ball "problems" when he's throwing to the receivers that Tannehill is throwing to. Absolutely false that Tannehill will have a massive payday before we know. Offensive line could be easily fixed this offseason. I'm assuming that Albert will be back. Albert/Pouncey/James is a damn good start to the line, with Pouncey at center. Draft oline again early. Grab a big, physical receiver that can stretch the field early. Hell, just grab all oline, and I think that Tannehill will look outstanding behind a good line, even with what he currently has for receivers. The big payday doesn't come until after next season.

Bottom line, there is NO other QB, whether in college or free agency, that will come in and play better than Tannehill is currently. If you all REALLY think that they drafted Tannehill as high as they did, with the intention of getting rid of him after three years, you're crazy. Especially when you look at the progress he has made every season, from TD/Int ratio, to rating, to whatever you want to look at. He needs to get his YPA up, we all agree. Give him an oline that can block for more than 1.5 seconds, and you'll see Tannehill throwing deeper. Give Tannehill an oline that can protect against a three man rush, so that teams can't drop 8 into coverage, and you'll see his YPA go up. How the **** is Tannehill supposed to throw downfield when there are 7-8 guys in coverage, shutting down the deep routes?? All he has is the short routes, because that what's given him by the defense, and it's the longest that his line can block. How many times on Sunday was Tannehill on his ass after taking shots farther than 8 yards downfield? Damn near every time.

"rafael wrote:

Agreed. I thought that was a clear PI. But even the first one may not have been entirely on RT. According to the post game interviews there was a mistake on the coverage read. There was no word on whether it was on the part of RT or Gibson, but this system often requires throws to a spot so if the WR reads it wrong an accurate pass may look inaccurate. Not absolving RT since we don't have the facts, but I would caution against those jumping to conclusions without the facts.

That's a great point. I didn't see the postgame interviews, so I didn't hear that bit.

"HogsHDFinsfan wrote:

I love how you guys act like if we want Tannehill replaced, we must want to replace him with the worst quarterback that Miami has ever had.that is absolutely hysterical!

The point is that Tannehill is way better than anyone we've had since Marino, Pennington excluded. The hysterical thing is the guys screaming that he is no good and we need to go a different direction when it is clear the guy is playing well and still hasn't reached his peak.

"Tin Indian wrote:

The point is that Tannehill is way better than anyone we've had since Marino, Pennington excluded. The hysterical thing is the guys screaming that he is no good and we need to go a different direction when it is clear the guy is playing well and still hasn't reached his peak.

How do we know he hasn't reached his peak? I'm not saying he has; I'm simply asking how we could possibly know either way.

As far as his "playing well," it's true he's playing much better than the QBs who are the worst in the league. However, he's in an offense with a low "degree of difficulty" (relatively few downfield pass attempts), and even then he's playing at about the middle of the road overall. He gets you at about an "Alex Smith" level, where you likely aren't getting anywhere big as a team unless you pull off the unlikely feat of surrounding him with one of the best, if not the best, supporting casts in the league. And as someone mentioned above, that's going to be more difficult to do as Tannehill begins to be paid more money.

Trent Dilfer won a Super bowl and he was a best a middling QB his entire career. I do not expect nor predict that Tannehill will be an "elite" Q, there are only about 6 maybe 7 of those types in the game, and the fact remains that when we had a Qb that was the very definition of an "elite" Qb we didn't win squat! That's why its a TEAM sport and it takes all the parts to win. Keep improving the O line, Keep improving the defense, get him some receivers that can catch the ball and he will win games for us and at least get us to the playoffs.

Tannehill is not the problem here.

"TooGoodForDez wrote:

He isn't a solution, not right now.

Much more of a solution at QB going forward then Philbin is at HC. But then again we all ( some secretly) already know that.

"rafael wrote:

Agreed. I thought that was a clear PI. But even the first one may not have been entirely on RT. According to the post game interviews there was a mistake on the coverage read. There was no word on whether it was on the part of RT or Gibson, but this system often requires throws to a spot so if the WR reads it wrong an accurate pass may look inaccurate. Not absolving RT since we don't have the facts, but I would caution against those jumping to conclusions without the facts.

Yeah, good luck with that.

"Tin Indian wrote:

Trent Dilfer won a Super bowl and he was a best a middling QB his entire career. I do not expect nor predict that Tannehill will be an "elite" Q, there are only about 6 maybe 7 of those types in the game, and the fact remains that when we had a Qb that was the very definition of an "elite" Qb we didn't win squat! That's why its a TEAM sport and it takes all the parts to win. Keep improving the O line, Keep improving the defense, get him some receivers that can catch the ball and he will win games for us and at least get us to the playoffs.

Tannehill is not the problem here.

The problem with that thinking is that there is no objective evidence that when those parts of the team play better, so does Tannehill. He isn't pressured more often than the average QB, he doesn't play better when he's sacked less, his receivers don't drop more passes than the average receiving corps, and the defense isn't worse than average and is better than average against the pass. So where this thinking that the team will somehow be significantly better when these other areas of the team "improve" comes from I have no idea.

I think it's equally as, if not more, likely that the team is good enough to get to the playoffs as-is, and Tannehill is currently the one holding it back. Obviously if that's the case, then making the rest of the team better will yield only better results, but again, that's less likely to happen as Tannehill himself begins to be paid more.

So then we dump Thill, who do you replace him with in this draft? There is only the guy from Oregon that looks like he has a shot. I'm an FSU fan but no way on Winston. So again, where do you find a Qb that is better than what Tannehill is RIGHT now? Off of another teams bench? We've tried that before in the past 14 years on more than one ocassion and it ain't worked out so well. It doesn't mean that they shouldn't look for a draft prospect, in fact I think they should find someone in the late rounds of the draft and replace Matt Moore. Maybe we'll get lucky like the Pats did and we'll turn a 5th round flier into a HOF'er.

"Fins Hipster wrote:

The problem with that thinking is that there is no objective evidence that when those parts of the team play better, so does Tannehill. He isn't pressured more often than the average QB, he doesn't play better when he's sacked less, his receivers don't drop more passes than the average receiving corps, and the defense isn't worse than average and is better than average against the pass. So where this thinking that the team will somehow be significantly better when these other areas of the team "improve" comes from I have no idea.

I think it's equally as, if not more, likely that the team is good enough to get to the playoffs as-is, and Tannehill is currently the one holding it back. Obviously if that's the case, then making the rest of the team better will yield only better results, but again, that's less likely to happen as Tannehill himself begins to be paid more.

Wow , do I ever disagree here. Just as a quick example do you honestly believe it was Tannehills fault we lost to Green Bay and Detroit ? Because if we won those games, actually if we won ONE of those games, we`d be in a much better position to make the playoffs. Late defensive collapses lost them both, not Tannehill. In fact tell me one game this year where Tannehill single handedly cost us a game.

Bottom line is I`m cautiously optimistic that Tannehill is the one. I saw nothing this year to lead me to believe that QB is a position we have to upgrade.

"resnor wrote:

I'd love for you to answer what you think the Dolphins should do instead of keeping Tannehill, since you've made it abundantly clear that you believe Tannehill is holding this team back with his subpar play.

He is certainly not lifting the team up.

"MAFishFan wrote:

If I've said it once, I've said it a million ****ing times: Tannehill isn't the problem.

Is he the answer and if he is, then why arent they winning more games with him? Scoring more points?