Rumor:Arizona Cardinals planning to trade Anquan Boldin this off-season

send em a 3rd and make it happen. bring boldin home to south fla.

I believe they wanted a 1st and a 3rd this past off-season. That's not happening, I don't see it with this management. If they will take a second, then I'd be OK with it. I like Anquan but he's been really banged up lately.

"Aqua4Ever04 wrote:

Ginn and a 2nd for Boldin. Just please include Ted Ginn so we can get him the hell out of Miami and he can stop costing us games.

:eek: Holy ****!!!

Boldin is like one big walking injury. Not sure if he is worth more than a 4th in this coming draft.

"Aqua4Ever04 wrote:

Ginn and a 2nd for Boldin. Just please include Ted Ginn so we can get him the hell out of Miami and he can stop costing us games.

:yes:
Tell us EXACTLY how you feel Travis.
Unfortunately, even with Boldin, I think we still need an Alpha type reciever at this juncture in his career.

"Aqua4Ever04 wrote:

Ginn and a 2nd for Boldin. Just please include Ted Ginn so we can get him the hell out of Miami and he can stop costing us games.

Boldin is a WR I least want. He gets hurt alot and look at what he is doing right now in Arizona. I would rather trade for Brandon Marshall after the year

Yeah cause he really cost us the game v.s. the Jets. Ted Ginn is what he is and thats a deep threat who needs parts around him.

"Aqua4Ever04 wrote:

If Greg Camarillo is starting for Ginn in the Indianapolis and New Orleans game, we're 5-3 right now, AND the '72 team would've already popped their anual champaigne.

hahaha yea right

"cnc66 wrote:

hahaha yea right

Wow, that's a substantive post right there.

"FreeStyle wrote:

I hope Boldin can return Kicks.

Well, I'm sure he can get us 2 KR touchdowns every 2 1/2 years or so.

If not, someone will.

Anyone.

"NaboCane wrote:

Wow, that's a substantive post right there.

Well, I'm sure he can get us 2 KR touchdowns every 2 1/2 years or so.

If not, someone will.

Anyone.

It is certainly equal to the post it was responding to... he's bashing Ginn, no surprise you felt compelled to come to the rescue.

"NaboCane wrote:

Wow, that's a substantive post right there.

Well, I'm sure he can get us 2 KR touchdowns every 2 1/2 years or so.

If not, someone will.

Anyone.

That's not true at all, otherwise more than 109 players would have 2 or more KRs for TDs over their careers.

Knock the guy all you want, but at least have a shred of truth mixed in.

The #1 kick returner of all time (in yardage and returns), Brian Mitchell never had more than 1 KR for a TD in a season, and over any 3 year span in his career never had more than 2 KRs for TDs.

I would guess less than 35 guys have more than 2 TDs over any 3 year span. And even less if you only count the modern era.

Keep Ginn for returns and limited WR work only.

Boldin prob wins us the games that Ginn "lost" though.

I wouldn't put those losses all on Ginn, but I'll say that Boldin would of won a few.

Boldin's trade value definitely went down this season so I could actually see our FO considering it. As far as Ginn's value, I'd throw him to AZ if they agreed to stop tagging Karlos Dansby.

"Stitches wrote:

That's not true at all, otherwise more than 109 players would have 2 or more KRs for TDs over their careers.

Knock the guy all you want, but at least have a shred of truth mixed in.

The #1 kick returner of all time (in yardage and returns), Brian Mitchell never had more than 1 KR for a TD in a season, and over any 3 year span in his career never had more than 2 KRs for TDs.

I would guess less than 35 guys have more than 2 TDs over any 3 year span. And even less if you only count the modern era.

Hey I was wrong. 38 guys in the ENTIRE history of the NFL have more TDs over a 3 year span than Ted Ginn does (after 2 and a half years).

Travis Williams – Didn’t play in the modern era. Had 4 KRs for a TD his first year, never more than 1 any other.
Gale Sayers – Didn’t return a KO in the modern era, let alone a TD.
Ollie Matson – Didn’t play in modern era.
Dante Hall
Mel Gray
Josh Cribbs
Timmy Brown – Not in modern era.
Michael Bates
Terrence McGee
Justin Miller
Bobby Mitchell – Not in modern era.
Abe Woodson – Not modern era
Ron Brown
Andre Coleman
Cecil Turner
Leon Washington
Jon Vaughn
Darrick Vaughn
Tamarick Vanover
Tony Horne
Devin Hester
Andre Davis
Ronney Jenkins
Tyrone Hughes
Ellis Hobbs
Dave Hampton
Dennis Gentry
Raymond Clayborn
Lynn Chandnois – not modern era
Michael Lewis
Lenny Lyles – not modern era
Jerome Mathis
Derrick Witherspoon
Charley Warner
Vitamin Smith – not modern era
Deion Sanders
Chad Morton
Mercury Morris

38 players, 29 in the modern era.

And guess what, if Ginn gets one more return TD in the next two and a half years he can become #39.

But surely anyone can do what he's done in the past 2 and half years for us, that's why it happens so often for every team in the NFL. :rolleyes:

No thanks. A 2nd for a 29 year old WR who's been injured a lot the last 2 seasons, and wants a new, expensive contract? I'd give a 4th maybe. And that's only if we can't land Vincent Jackson, Brandon Marshall, Braylon Edwards, Antonio Bryant, or Steve Breaston first.

I wish I was surprised that this turned into a Ginn hate thread.

Travis, how quickly you dismiss the games Ginn has won for us. You weren't this hard on your boy Chambers. Didn't you cry when he was traded?

"Aqua4Ever04 wrote:

Chambers had 800-1000 yards and more than 60 catches every single year. He also caught 45 touchdowns with us.

Chambers has produced in the NFL.

Ginn has done zip, zilch, nada. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!

I have to agree, Ginn had a good game last year vs. Buffalo and hauled in 1 TD bomb against New York this year, but other than that, he hasn't done nothing for us.

In 2 1/2 seasons, he's had 1 good game (2008 Buffalo) and that's it. He's just a bad WR.

Chambers had his drops, but he made a ton of plays to make up for it. Right now Chambers is like Jerry Rice to us compared to the load of crap we have right now.

"FreeStyle wrote:

Wow you guys better go back and look at last years highlight reel.Ginn and a Houdini catch vs. Seattle i believe, his end-a-rounds for TDs against the Chiefs and Raiders. But yeah he doesnt do anything..lmao I'm sure there are more, that im not saying now, but wow the hate for this guy and the big plays he can do for us or did do for us get overlooked.

Oh well, i'm in the minority so it is what it is i guess.

Your still my friend:up:

Boldin's current deal is 4 years for $22 so that's about $5.5 mill a year. He has next year on it and then he's a FA. What if we just made him play through next year on his current deal then tag him?

Is that really that bad? I think once he heals up for awhile, he's good to go.

"Aqua4Ever04 wrote:

Chambers had 800-1000 yards and more than 60 catches every single year. He also caught 45 touchdowns with us.

Chambers has produced in the NFL.

Ginn has done zip, zilch, nada. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!

That's funny, because we're 1-7 without him right now. Sounds like he's done nothing, huh?

C'mon, folks. Ginn has done NOTHING?.......
It's fair to say he's been a disappointment; or that he hasn't lived up to what we expected from him. I even think it's fair to say that he's primarily responsible for a couple of losses.
But he's also primarily responsible for that last win against the Jets. And he had a hand in the earlier win as well. Can't we at least maintain some perspective and honesty when talking about him?
Besides the thread was about whether or not Boldin is someone we would like to see down here.
Like alen said, last year, apparently AZ wanted a king's ransom for Boldin. But he's a complainer and he is oft injured.
If AZ really wants to get rid of him they'll listen to realistic offers this time.
I would like to see him down here, but not if we're giving up multiple high picks for him.
Also a few random facts about Chris Chambers:
He DID NOT catch 65 passes for us every single year.
From 01 to 06 - 48; 52; 64; 69; 82; 59.
In 02 he had 734 yd rcv
In 06 he had 677 yd rcv
He only got to 1000 yds one time as a Dolphin - 05.
He caught a total of 43 TD passes as a Dolphin.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/ChamCh00.htm

"Aqua4Ever04 wrote:

If Greg Camarillo is starting for Ginn in the Indianapolis and New Orleans game, we're 5-3 right now, AND the '72 team would've already popped their anual champaigne.

Yeah, and if Camarillo started the first Jets game, he never gets behind the entire Jets secondary and we probably lose that game. Coulda, shoulda, woulda, if.

Aqua4Ever04 wrote:

Ginn has done zip, zilch, nada. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!

Sorry you missed both Jets games this year. They were really something.

"Aqua4Ever04 wrote:

I'm not talking about him as a return man. He caught zero balls as a receiver in the 2nd Jets game.

I'm sorry, when you say a player has done "zip, zilch, nada, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING" I didn't know that only receiving TDs count as "something".

Aqua4Ever04 wrote:

In the first one, yes, he did get behind the defense one time with him amazing speed; that is a dynamic element he offers. However, we had absolutely gashed the Jets on the ground, the element of surprise was what made that play happen. That and a perfect throw by Chad Henne.

Ok. So any receiving TD set up by the run game is also nothing? And if it was a great throw by a QB, it's also nothing? I'm learning a lot here.

Aqua4Ever04 wrote:

And who was the guy that showed up and made the two huge catches on third down on that game winning drive in the Monday Nighter? It was Camarillo, our only "decent" receiver.

And how many TDs does Camarillo have this year? Let me see if I have this all straight. Special team TDs = nothing. TDs set up by the run game = nothing. TDs that were great throws by the QB = nothing. Catches on 3rd down = something. Ok. Think I got it.

I love Camarillo. And I acknowledge Ted Ginn needs to make the big catches and develop some consistency. I also acknowledge he's not the #1 WR we drafted him to be. But I think it's plain to see that you saying Ted Ginn has done nothing is an absolutely ridiculous statement and you do a disservice to yourself by making such claims.

"Aqua4Ever04 wrote:

I'm saying if you're in position to catch the ball, and you can't haul it in and this happens on a consistent basis, you're trash. Especially when you only get open three or four times a game and you drop two or three of those. And I know he doesn't have a ton of OFFICIAL drops, but he has NEVER caught a ball that was challeneged or in traffic.

Seriously, what do the apologists see in him? Is it really that hard to see that he kills our team when he's called on to do something? Or am I just taking crazy pills?

I would try and offer a reply, but I know I'll just be called an apologist so why bother.

"Aqua4Ever04 wrote:

I'm saying if you're in position to catch the ball, and you can't haul it in and this happens on a consistent basis, you're trash. Especially when you only get open three or four times a game and you drop two or three of those. And I know he doesn't have a ton of OFFICIAL drops, but he has NEVER caught a ball that was challeneged or in traffic.

Seriously, what do the apologists see in him? Is it really that hard to see that he kills our team when he's called on to do something? Or am I just taking crazy pills?

Slow down a bit, brother. You're among friends here.
No one here is trying to say they're satisfied with Ginn's contribution. I believe we can all agree that he's fallen well short of expectations.
However, some of us are objecting to the hyperbole you're using to voice your own displeasure.
Asking for you (or anyone) to give credit where it's due shouldn't label someone an "apologist", anymore than using exaggeration to make your point should label you a liar.
Responses are aimed at disputing these untrue statements made by you:

1."If Greg Camarillo is starting for Ginn in the Indianapolis and New Orleans game, we're 5-3 right now,"
2."Is it bashing when the player is awful, drops everything you throw to him and is not condusive to winning at all?"
3."Chambers had 800-1000 yards and more than 60 catches every single year. He also caught 45 touchdowns with us.

Chambers has produced in the NFL.

Ginn has done zip, zilch, nada. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!"

Aside from stating that Chambers has produced in the NFL none of those are true.

"Aqua4Ever04 wrote:

I'm saying if you're in position to catch the ball, and you can't haul it in and this happens on a consistent basis, you're trash. Especially when you only get open three or four times a game and you drop two or three of those. And I know he doesn't have a ton of OFFICIAL drops, but he has NEVER caught a ball that was challeneged or in traffic.

Seriously, what do the apologists see in him? Is it really that hard to see that he kills our team when he's called on to do something? Or am I just taking crazy pills?

I don't think anybody on this board would dispute Ted Ginn's shortcomings. But you are making inaccurate statements about Ginn and completely ignoring the positive things he has done for this team.