thats pretty generous. tanny has done nothing in his career and has not shown he is capable of lifting a mediocre team to the playoffs.

after 4 years, the only stat i care about is wins.

 

I think calling the team surrounding Tannehill "mediocre" is a bit generous.

I'd also like a link to the whole list, if possible.

 

Kinda echos what me, Finster, FinO and others have been saying.

 

I think those rankings are for the most part fair. And by that I mean who gets into which tier, not the specific order within each tier. There are some I'd quibble with like Matt Ryan being in tier 2, but it's understandable.

 

"Legit starter who needs run game and defense to win" sounds like the consensus on him.

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I hope things go well for Ryan this year. I think he's finally starting to produce the kinds of numbers we fans associate with solid passers. I see no reason why he couldn't have a season this year where he reaches 4.4-4.5k yards and posts 30 TDs. Overall, he's just been so solid as of late that I feel weird criticizing the job he's done.

I think the point most of us settled on last year was that young QBs don't carry teams, veterans do. I don't mind a young QB taking time to mature. QBs who won early in their careers had elite defenses that took them to the Play-offs. I'm thinking of guys like Roethlisberger and Wilson. Hell, the Jets did it with Sanchez. Young QBs just aren't the factor that decides whether you win games. You can build a team around someone with 8-10 years experience and win games that way. I don't really know anyone in this modern era who waltzed right in and made his team competitive outside of maybe Luck, but he always seemed to have that cupcake division. His stats against the rest of the AFC were always more in line with his contemporaries.

At this point it seems to me that Ryan is just coming into that window of his career where he's supposed to start being "the guy."

 

Even Marino couldn't win without a running game and a legit defense on the other side. People expecting Tannehill to walk on water need to chill.

 

The Dolphins pass defense in 1985 wasn't very good.

IMO the argument is somewhat of a non-sequitor. Is the defense and running game making the QB look better, or is the QB making them look better?

 

uh, Marino DID win without a running game or defense. He carried those teams.

 

it seems like all those games were like 42-35. The Dolphins had no defense and they had no running game, it was all QB.

 

Who is expecting Tannehill to be great based on what he's done so far? Certainly not those polled for that ranking. I think most of us would be happy if we can say he's a solid tier 2 this year. But time IS running out to prove that.

 

He went to one Super Bowl, after that there was a period where the running game and defense were both putrid, during one six year run we had one 12 win season and every other season was 8 wins or less, overall Marino teams had ten seasons with less than ten wins.

And I hate people who begin sentences with "uh"

 

The thing is you have guys like Carr, Cousins, Marriota and Winston possibly leapfrogging him. How about Bortles if he kicks his INT addiction.

 

I have, for awhile, thought Philbin was a really REALLY bad HC...it is hard for me to judge the team or the QB with what was going on.

Stafford, Ryan, and Dalton (and some of the others in Tier 2) often look worse than Tannehill IMO. That's why I don't always agree with the "inconsistent" title because his baseline isn't really all that bad. I've seen some of these QBs throw passes that we would still be talking about ad nauseum 9 months later...Tannehill not as much. Not to say they don't have their positives too.

Then there's Luck way up there....what was the problem last year then? He looked like the worst QB in the league at times. I don't think he's that bad, but what is the argument?

 

Luck is the most overrated qb in the league right now. He feasts on bad defenses and comes back to earth against good defense. The year he had good stats, he played a lot of bad defenses.

Last season, even before he was hurt, he was terrible.

He might be a great quarterback someday, however, right now, he isn't the quarterback that people give him credit for.

 

I do like his makeup though, I will give him that. Stays in the pocket a lot like Big Ben.

 

Yeah Luck has way underperformed his hype (from the draft). He was injured last year, but if he doesn't take the step this year to prove he's at least a clear tier 2, then he needs to be placed squarely in tier 3.

One thing he's shown on occasion is the ability to carry his team to a win (from way behind), but he takes too many risks and for some reason that decision-making doesn't seem to have improved much over the last 4 years.

 

I also do like his makeup. I think he will go down as a very good quarterback, at the very least.

Just right now, he isn't the bee's knees.

 

I thought the list was very fair.

I don't think Kirk Cousins is a better QB than Ryan Tannehill, but I can't fault anyone for thinking differently. They had Teddy Bridgewater at 23 ahead of Tannehill, which again I prefer Ryan, but if you move Bridgewater up a tick because of a division title - I get it.

Here is something that I thought was interesting from Cian Fahey on Twitter. By the way, he's a great follow.

https://twitter.com/Cianaf/status/762786608466825216

Look at the ages of every QB on the list. Looking at all the QBs 27 and older, outside of Taylor, Fitzpatrick, and Bradford, every one of those QBs had some form of playoff experience by the time they hit the age of 28.

Again, I understand that it's a team game and the importance of the team, but when you look at that list, you really get a feel for how far behind Ryan Tannehill is in terms of level of accomplishment. The fact he is 28 years old doesn't help things. I know about the TDs and yards in X number of seasons, but that hasn't equated to wins. Nor has it equated to a level of accomplishment more than most of those QBs on the list.

I'm on record saying that I believe Adam Gase is the X Factor and can help make him better. He can help make him fit within the design of an offense and team, but Ryan Tannehill has this year. If he can't figure it out this year, then I think you've got to move on from a 29 year old QB with very little of accomplishment to his name.

 

I have thought for some time that 2016 will be Tannehill's last year as a Dolphin. I think Gase and the front office will decide to go in another direction after this coming season. To be considered a bottom tier QB after four years in the league says it all.

While there are some elements of his game which are good. Overall he just isn't the type of QB who will ever lead his team to the playoffs, IMO. Right now Gase is stuck with him, but Gase wasn't here when he was drafted and I think The FO has more faith in Gase over the long term than it has in Tannehill.

Hopefully Tannehill proves me wrong, but I think he is what he is and so far that has been mediocre at best.

 

What direction would this team go?

Back into QB purgatory until we find another. I mean, that's pretty self explanatory, no?

I think we can all agree on the assessment of Tannehill. He's a legit starter. He's shown he's capable, and obviously durable. It hasn't all come together yet. That's on him, this team, the prior staff, etc. etc. However, I'm not sure what else to expect. They're not all going to be elite. If they are, every team would have an elite guy and this would be a non issue. It's a difficult thing to find a good one, and be in the right position to be able to draft one. So, who knows what we're going to get. At some point though, something's got to give. Can't keep paying the guy if it's not getting us where we need to be, or where the FO thinks we should be. Not that kind of cash anyways. So, it's only a matter of time.

One of two things will happen this year IMO. Tannehill will take a big step and it's irrelevant, or Tannehill will be moving on since this is the make or break year on that contract decision.

 

Long as we win....does it matter? which I think is your point.

I maintain that coaching is also a big deal though. Hell, Philbin never ran these pocket footwork drills with Tannehill.......when everyone and their cousins could tell that was a weakness of his. Now hes finally getting real coaching. By the end of this season....theres gonna be some folks with turd on their face with regards to Ryan Tannehill.




I just hope Im not the one doing the wiping...lol

 

As of right now Gase does not feel he is stuck with Gase and thinks he inherited a good quarterback.

Plus, there isn't a quarterback on the roster that is capable of taking over for Tannehill in 2017.

 

Their rankings are highly questionable. Tannehill is in the same general area as Matt Ryan, Andy Dalton and Joe Flacco. How they have him below the ones who were rookies last season.

 

I think it's fair to predict what your thoughts are on Tannehill's season. It's that time.

However, I'm excited for the season and plan on waiting to see some real games before making my decision. Hopefully, there will be too many positives to talk about and this point will become moot.

 

Marino did win and every year there was a chance at the playoffs. To say he didn't win is incorrect. I am not sure where exactly you are pulling your information from. 1 time in 17 years that Dan was on the team did the team have a losing record. 1 time!

The wins during his career are no where near what you claim. 12,14,112,8,8,6,8,12,8,11,9,8,9,10,9 those are the wins each year he was the QB.

"we had one 12 win season and every other season was 8 wins or less," WRONG WRONG WRONG!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Miami_Dolphins_seasons

 

you mean you dont think either of the other 2 QB's could lead the team to a losing record like Tannehill has?

 

Highly disagree. He is clearly under all 3.

All 3 have played at elite levels for an extended period of time and/or crucial times. Ryan hasn't.

And maybe its circumstances so when those are circumstances are corrected, he'll join them. But for now, he is where he is.

 

I agree there isn't a better QB on the roster at this time. That is why I said Gase is STUCK with Tannehill. I believe the Dolphins will do everything they can to be able to take a QB in the 2017 draft in the first round.

I realize that that there are a lot of Tannehill supporters on this forum. While I would love to see Tannehill take a giant step forward this season,I just have my doubts he is capable of ever being more than he has been so far.

I don't see him as a good leader and he has never shown that he can make the plays consistently in the fourth quarter to lead this team to victory. Maybe I will be shown to be wrong and I have no doubt you and the rest of the Tannehill backers will remind me of these comments if I am wrong. It won't bother me in the least because that will just mean Tannehill took that big step forward.

I have said all along that the 2016 is all about Tannehill. Because the big money kicks in next year in Tannehill's contract, he needs to prove this year that he deserves to be paid as if he is a franchise QB.

 

Any real judgement on Tannehill will have to wait until after this season is over. This is his make or break year per his contract. He has everything working in his favor - coaching change, an Offensive line that should be much better and has improved depth, Receivers out the yazoo and a potentially solid group of running backs. If he cant show real improvement then we should be looking for someone else next off season, but like everyone knows it isnt an easy thing to do to find one on the market even as good as Tannehill. It's so easy to say " we need to replace him" but the doing successfully is another matter entirely. Outside of one season of Chad Pennington, Thill is the best QB we have had since Marino and it took 12 years to get this far.

I think it's gonna take 4-6 games for Thill and the offense to settle into the new scheme, if it never happens then we do need to start hunting.

 

He said in a 6 year span he won 12 one season and 8 wins or less the other 5....which is true.

What if Marino started his career in 1986 and went 8-8, 8-8, 6-10, 8-8 the first four years?

 

But he didn't.

Also, the stats are different even if we cherry pick those 4 years. Marino had Y/A of 7.3 to 7.6 those 4 years while Tannehill's highest was 7.2 and the rest below 7. Marino also threw for 44 TD's in that first 8-8 year of the ones you listed.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MariDa00.htm

And Marino's passer ratings were 76.9 to 92.5 those 4 years (decreasing each year btw) in an era where the average passer rating was 71-74. In other words, Marino's stats showed he was a very good QB during that time, from way above average to just slightly above. Tannehill in his best years has been average statistically.

So I don't think the narrative would be the same. And besides that's cherry-picking 4 years where Marino starting performing worse. He was sensational before that and was really good for awhile after that.

 

Didn't that segment have only Brady, Rodgers, and Big Ben as tier 1 QBs?

I wouldn't have Ben above say, Rivers, for instance.

 

I think the comments were fair & accurate, but the #24 ranking was a bit low (I'd rather have Tannehill than Teddy Bridgewater or Blake Bortles).

I criticized the Tannehill draft pick from day one, because I knew he was a limited quarterback.

Tannehill is good at throwing direct laser beams. But he struggles to high-arc the deep ball into a 4.3 fast bucket.

This was the analysis BEFORE Tannehill was drafted:

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April 12, 2012

"..Many times, if Ryan does try to put a little air under the ball on deep throws, he will end up under throwing his man. Not every single time, but enough for you to notice.."

"..Ryan has ample arm to throw the ball down the field, however at this stage his deep throws need a little bit of fine tuning.."

"..His deep ball accuracy needs to improve, that much I am quite sure of.."

"..As noted earlier, there is a tendency to under throw the deep when trying to put air under the pass.."

"..I say this as I do have some concerns regarding his ability to consistently lead his receivers, his deep ball accuracy.."

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sfl-mtblog-2012-04-draft_winds_breaking_down_ryan_1-story.html

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To mask Tannehill's weakness, we probably need to avoid 4.3 speed deep-ball buckets like Mike Wallace & Kenny Stills.

Instead, Tannehill probably needs to be surrounded by strong catch radius WRs who can stiff arm opponents to the ground, like DeVante Parker & Jarvis Landry.

 

Which proves wins and losses are about the team situation and certain circumstances more than people want to admit. Marino didn't lose his skill, yet there was a 7 year span where things weren't very good.

 

Yeah, no single player has that much influence over the final result in football.

However.. I think saying "Marino carried the team" and saying "no single player influences win/loss record that much" aren't inconsistent with each other as long as they're properly interpreted. One can acknowledge the influence of the rest of the team dwarfed Marino's influence on the win/loss record while at the same time saying that without Marino the Dolphins might on average have 2-3 fewer wins per season (at least that's what I'd estimate.. Marino's influence was well above the influence of an average QB IMO).