It's been a persistent rumor... It could happen. I just hope we don't trade up from 5 to make it happen.

 

Merge?

 

Mandi is going to write an article about every possible draft pick. Just so he can point to it later. Mandi is lazy and his opinions have no value.

 

T/Y Sceeto. I posted this 10 days ago!

https://thephins.com/threads/dolphins-may-prefer-herbert-to-tua-at-no-5.94945/

 

Bad idea. He's Tannehill 2.0.

 

Honestly, their style of play could not be more different. I dont agree with this analogy unless you mean for some other reason.

 

I mean he has physical tools but I don't like him from the neck up.

 

"Oregon quarterback Justin Herbert took home one of the most prestigious overall college football honors on Tuesday night, known as the "Academic Heisman". The National Football Foundation awarded Justin Herbert with the 2019 William V. Campbell Trophy.
According to the award committee, the Campbell Trophy is awarded to a "senior or graduate student in their final year of playing eligibility, have a GPA of at least 3.2 on a 4.0 scale, have outstanding football ability as a first-team player or significant contributor and have demonstrated strong leadership and citizenship.
Herbert led the other eleven finalists in overall GPA with a 4.01 and will be finishing up his Science degree this term".

 

That is fair. Personally I think he seems like an intelligent guy and player.

I am not saying he will be great btw, more guys fail than succeed and hes obviously not a Peyton Manning generational type QB.

That said I can see him being similar to a Big Ben if he developed properly.

Big guy with a strong arm and good mobility for his size. Tough to sack and so forth.

Obviously whether or not a staff can develop his weaknesses will be his deciding factor IMO

 

All that is meaningless when you're looking downfield for an open receiver during a safety blitz. Tannehill is incredibly smart, but that doesn't translate to the ability to think on your feet under pressure. And that's what I mean "from the neck up." How many sacks did Tannehill take in Miami when he should have thrown the ball away? The ability to figure out when you just need to get rid of the ball isn't something they teach in a classroom.

 

He is not Tannehill. It is a lazy comparison.

 

I tend to think people put a lot of the sacks in Tannehill because they dont actually understand offensive line play and how being unable to pinpoint where pressure will come from due to a porous unit will result in the type of sacks he took.

100% Agree he took more than needed, but it got the point where every single sack was his fault to fans despite the fact that the pressure was coming from multiple angles not only from play to play, but often during the same plays.

He didnt hold onto the ball any longer than most QB in the league and his time from dropbacks to pass has always generally been good.

His issue is more when his team is trailing and he has to extend the play but cant find anyone. Those were his worst sacks.

I dont agree Herbert lacks poise though or has insurmountable pocket presence issues.

 

I know, brotha'. That' why I said to merge this one with yours.

 

That's your opinion anyway. It's not a lazy comparison. But you do you.

 

That seems like making excuses for him. Sure, every QB takes sacks when there's unexpected pressure. This wasn't unexpected pressure, this was holding onto the ball for five or six seconds play after play when I had enough time to (and was) yelling at the screen at the time "Get rid of the damn ball!" He got tunnel vision and wasn't aware of the pressure. It wasn't just a few times, it was multiple times, usually in the same game when he faced defenses he wasn't ready for. And it didn't go away, it seemed to just get worse.

 

Why is giving reasons why something isn't true looked at as "making excuses?" I mean, just outright dismissing someones point of view simply because you disagree is what leads to arguments, instead of discussions. I think it's a fair point, that while Tannehill certainly took some he didn't have to, there were plenty that he took because he had no choice, but people were so down on Tannehill they blamed him for every sack and whined about his supposed poor pocket presence.

 

If both are available at 5 (which is admittedly unlikely), then Tua had better be the choice.

 

Because among the first thing you said was that "it's people not understanding" or "seeing things from multiple angles afterward and second-guessing." But it's not. It's as the play unfolded, in circumstances where someone watching had time enough to say out loud "get rid of the ball" and know a sack was coming in real time because he was just taking too long.

 

As i said in a previous post, if i were to draft a quarterback that i thought would have a career past 5 years... Herbert would be the pick... im just not sure if he is special...


He is having an excellent combine though and his pro day will only keep him locked in the top 5

 

Hey, he could go at 1. Ha ha. Cinci coached him at the senior bowl where he was the MVP and it may be true that they don't like Burrow's hand size. :0

 

Lol that hand size argument was stupid... cam newton hands are gigantic yet he fumbled the ball at the biggest stage in crunch time..

i like burrow... and id take him if he were available but i also feel it is hit or miss with him. Either he is going to be very special in the NFL or he is going to be on that list with Jamarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf... there wont be an inbetween with him.

herbert is the safest pick but im not sure he is special... like in the Brees/Brady/Rodgers category... he may be in the Tanne/Matt Ryan rank.. or a career backup..

tua i dont see it at all, im just going to say it, i dont like that he is left handed... i dont like that hes fragile and made of glass... and i think his surrounding talent made his stats look much better than he actually is.. mariota had similar stats with less talent in Oregon...

 

The more I think about it, the more I am convinced about trading down from five. I am not sold on any of the top QBs this year. Burrow lacks arm strength, Tua lacks some arm strength as well and is a high injury risk, Herbert has the arm and size but he doesn not have experience in a pro style offense and his accuracy and football IQ is questionable.

I would much rather trade down from five for an extra 2nd, 3rd or 4th rounder then pick Jalen Hurts in the 2nd or 3rd.

Give Rosen one last shot to prove himself this year and if not Give hurts a chance or go after the top QB in next year's draft.

 

Hurts? Hell no. It...hurts just thinking about it. Love maybe. But if we trade down, I'd rather take a flyer on Fromme or Eason.

 

Have you actually watched them play? Hurts is a much better QB than love right now. Love has the size and athleticsm, but he is very innacurate and lacks football IQ.

Hurts is smaller, but even more athletic with a more accurate arm and better football IQ.

Love is being overrated because of his size and measurables, but Jalen is the better QB.

Fromm and Eason are good, but I think Hurts athleticism sets him apart from them.

 

I have watched them play. Love wasn't impressive this year, but he was very good last year. Hurts looked good with Alabama, but who doesn't? With OU, he looked good against teams with no real defense and got exposed when he faced teams that had NFL-level players on their D. I don't want him, at all.

 

I like Hurts and i wouldnt mind drafting him though he is not a week 1 starter.. maybe he isnt a year 1 starter.. which isnt a bad thing..

The one thing i noticed about his throws is that it floats a hlf second to a second too long in the air.. on some of the drills yesterday you always saw a slight pause from the receivers waiting for the ball to get to them. Whereas Herbert everything was being completed in stride.

 

Absolutely no interest in second tier guys like Eason, Fromm or Hurts. Complete waste of a pick for a team with so many holes. Either take an elite prospect or don't.

 

We have a buttload of picks. Throwing a late first or early second at a QB isn't a bad idea, even if he doesn't pan out. That's how you find guys like Wilson, by giving them a chance.

 

The odds are low enough for elite picks, it's a needle in a haystack for anyone else. Focus on what we need instead of trying to get cute, or take a flyer on a 6-7th round guy or UDFA instead of blowing a high round pick on severely flawed or limited guys like Eason, Fromm and Hurts. Just no.

The teams that target those guys should already have a decent base of talent and a need to work on a backup QB with a chance to supplant an aging starter, not a talent-devoid team in need of a high quality QB.

 

This.

Though if the team likes the player I would of course say take the QB. Do not just draft him to draft him.

 

Hate to say I told you so. Hurts blew up the combine and is now being talked about as possibly the third best QB in the draft. He wont get out of the 2nd round now, might even go in the first.

https://247sports.com/LongFormArtic...eryone-away-draft-Oklahoma-Sooners-144422287/

 

Hurts is not so second tier anymore after his combine performance. He is now being talked about in the top 3 for QBs.

 

It sounds like he had one heck of a pro day and changed a lot of people's minds. Hurts wouldn't be my #1 overall choice BUT if we don't draft one of the top three, I'd seriously hope we'd grab him in the 2nd/3rd round and take a flyer on him for a few years.

In fact, he said in interviews that he wouldn't hesitate to change positions since he's a "team first player", so I really want this kid if he's available in later rounds.

 

I literally cannot find one article that says he is in the "Top 3" now.

 

I couldn't care less. Mike Mamula had a great pro day, too.

 

It happens every year. Some player will have a great pro day and turn it into a huge move up the boards. It's easily predictable and usually a mistake for the team. Teams should set their boards primarily by the film. The ones who put too much emphasis on track/underwear scores don't tend to draft well.

 

No one is saying this.

He is not worth anything more than a late round flier, and even then, its a reach.

 

I've read he can possibly jump into late day 2 now as a developmental project. But, there is nothing on the internet, Twitter or anything that puts him in the "Top 3" at the position now.

Maybe he's talking about it with his cat or something.

 

Some people are saying Jake Fromm has dropped to a late 3rd, even early 4th round pick now based on the combine, but I don't buy it. I think some team is going to take a chance on him late first or early second.