Dan Marino threw his 300th TD pass when he had 169 INT's. QB's better than that with INT's were:
Peyton 152
Brees 154
Brady 115
Rivers 146
Ben 160
Rodgers has 72 but is 3 td's away from 300
To me it shows how imbalanced we all knew the offense was but also his gunslinger mentality
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Personally, I've always loved the gunslingers in the league. While a turnover is devastating for a guy like Pennington who marches down the field 6 yards at a time, it didn't mean nearly as much for a guy like Marino or Favre that could find the end zone on any given play. Just let it rip....and who cares if they shut you down a few times. You can let it rip again a few plays later and get that momentum right back.
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growing up and watching him, he did have some head-scratching picks though
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Dan's picks were due to the same reason Favre and other great gunslingers got picks.....they weren't students of the game. The vast majority of gunslingers aren't cerebral at all. They are playing sandlot. It is a testament to their innate ability but it is also an indictment of their personalities as they could have done even more had they tried from the thinking end of the position.
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The fake spike wasn't Marino's idea. The story is that Kosar invented the play and the team had practiced it all week. It was then Kosar that called for it.eltos_lightfoot likes this. -
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Let the record reflect also, that you just started attacking me for no reason in multiple posts....because I had an opinion. Isn't that what everyone says I do to everyone else?resnor and eltos_lightfoot like this. -
Everyone who is better than Dan on this list is part of a different era with different rules.
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Now, you could say that Marino was just saying that to a group of teenagers to sound cool, and you may be right. I was 23 or 24 back then but we always brought at least one young neighborhood kid to boost our chances of Marino signing autographs. Half the time he came out staggering from a few too many free cocktails, and I honestly can't remember if he was drunk that night or not. He usually wouldn't hang out and talk to us if he was sober though....so he had a few at least. But if I had to bet, I'd guess that it was his idea in the spur of the moment.Dolphin North likes this. -
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...-dolphins-unforgettable-victory-new-york-jets
Marino: I was more involved in trying to get our team into position in hopes of having a chance to tie the game or win the game. I give Bernie Kosar credit. He brought the spike play to us from Cleveland, and he actually mentioned in my ear, "Think about the clock play, think about the clock play." It was perfect and we did it.
Mike Westhoff, Dolphins special teams coach: We always referred to that as Bernie's play. He came up with it.
Shula: Bernie's play? Who told you that, Bernie? It was a play we practiced during the week.
Dellenbach: We worked on it on a weekly basis. Watching film, we saw some of their guys weren't really doing a whole lot when they knew the ball was going to be spiked, so we talked about this could be the week we do this.KeyFin and eltos_lightfoot like this. -
Kosar, on the other hand, was arguably one of the smartest QBs to ever play the game. I saw a stat once at UM where over the whole season he made the correct read something above 90% of the time. Kosar left much to be desired physically and I couldn't tell you if he was smart at anything else, but when it came to playing QB, he was a genius. And I would have thought that most knew he was responsible for suggesting that fake spike play.josh, cuchulainn, resnor and 3 others like this. -
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...and personally stitched every Isotoner he sold.
....I heard he cooks all the Nutrisystem meals sent out.
....I can't believe he wrote and directed Ace Ventura but was kind enough to let Jim Carrey star in it.
....I heard he can beat anyone at Connect Four in just 3 moves.Last edited: Jul 6, 2017eltos_lightfoot and resnor like this. -
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Sidenote, what the heck did I miss in this thread?? LOL
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Then he says Brady and Manning were cerebral because they can read pre snap, which he says Danny could, but then backdoored it like always, saying he was not good post snap. And there you have it, another post ruined by Fin F
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There are other arguments for why comparing them across eras is impossible, but this was the most influential, I think.dolphin25 likes this. -
We know for sure Marino didn't communicate the play though. Why? Because the Dolphins lineman just stood there. The only two people who knew about the spike was Marino and Mark Ingram.
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Marino's 108.9 rating in 1984 becomes 130.3 in 2016 rating, and that's probably about right given how unbelievable that year was relative to what others in that year did.
In any case, you can adjust every stat across eras if you have the historical data.eltos_lightfoot and Pauly like this. -
And I don't think the scenario posited is even remotely likely. With only three pieces, you'd have to be on the bottom row going across, and I can't imagine ever a 5 year old wouldn't block one end preventing you from having a space on either end to win on.Fin D likes this. -
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Looking at the averages has its place, but also look at the records being broken left and right.dolphin25 likes this. -
To be clear, what adjustments like the one I described allow you to do is to compare how relatively good a QB was across eras. Raw stats can't do that. What the adjustment I described does NOT allow you to do is to assume that a QB that was in the top 10 percentile in one era would automatically be in the top 10 percentile in another era. That you don't know.
But saying that getting a 108.9 rating in 1984 is similarly impressive as getting a 130.3 rating today is something you can say and that means you can compare how impressive Marino was in his era (measured by passer rating) to a QB today.Last edited: Jul 6, 2017Pauly likes this. -
However.. that doesn't mean that whoever is "better" in the 1980's will be "better" in the 2010's. It just means that the overall distribution has similar spread.
Interestingly that spread did change from pre-1978 to post-1978. So the ONE rule change that measurably affected better QB's differently than worse QB's was the one in 1978 where illegal contact was now 5 yards and offensive holding was interpreted differently (allowing OL guys to open their hands on pass plays). The standard deviation went from the 15-17 range pre-1978 to the smaller 10-12 post-1978. That means the rule change was an equalizer of sorts.Last edited: Jul 6, 2017 -
As to whether the scenario is likely or not, that's another story.Last edited: Jul 6, 2017
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