..on Tua’s possible contract extension:

"I think we're hopeful," Dolphins general manager Chris Grier said.

:1eye:

 

Big yawn on the "source familiar with front office operations".
I've never seen a "source" use so many generalities and hypotheticals in his assessment of a player.

 

Yeah, the article is just trash and click bait.

Will the Dolphins extend Tua? Maybe, maybe not, but both options depend on a lot of things. Injury is always in the mix, with all players. There’s always a risk in signing a player to a big money contract. Look at Rodgers. Look at the dozens of players over the years that had major injuries after big contracts.
Again, trash article looking for clicks.

 

Sounds like the Bengals and Chargers are screwed.

 

It's seriously disingenuous to act like all players are the same regarding injuries, especially players who had significant injuries when younger.

I mean dude, you went to medical, you know this stuff.

 

Ummm... Did #1 NOT play in 18 games last season? What am I missing?

 

So this is your new stance on not signing him?

Or are you suggesting play his 5th out?

 

"NFL rumors" from ESPN. You couldn’t have found a more unreliable source.

 

After just 1 year? Am I missing something? Wasn't Tua one of the league's leading quarterbacks in 2022, even being out with the concussions he had? Having missed the same or even less time than Burrow, Jackson, et all?

Tua's had two CONSECUTIVE seasons of elite quarterback play...play that was instrumental in leading the Dolphins to 2 CONSECUTIVE winning seasons under first year head coach Mike McDaniel and two CONSECUTIVE playoff appearances.

Jackson...injured...paid
Burrow....injured...paid
Herbert...injured...paid
Tua...injured...oh wait...he still has to prove himself.

I already see what's going to happen. My crystal ball is already coming into focus. The Dolphins are going to screw around and Tua's going to get traded. He's going to go to another team and its going to be just like Tannehill, he'll go to a team that's going to go deep into the playoffs, if not the Super Bowl itself, while the Dolphins are yet repeating another stretch of mediocrity and embarrassment.

 

All people are different. All NFL players are at a high risk of injury. All of them. Has Tua’s hip been an issue? Predicting future injury on past injury doesn’t work. It’s unreliable. I’ve given examples now from two of the world’s leading orthopedists who say the same thing. Yet everyone wants to ignore them. And here you are telling me I should know better because of my medical background. It’s weird how you use my medical background in total polar opposite ways in the same thread. Lol
The problem isn’t me being disingenuous. The problem is a complete lack of understanding of this topic by a lot of fans.

 

This is where you stand then, the rumor source doesn’t mean much this is the topic, therea a minority of fans that want this play on the fifth year to happen.

I’ve also read where we’re trying to protect ourselves in the contract with some injury clauses.

The only situation where I would take a hard stance is if his team is not reasonable and he wants highest paid Qb money.

 

Career Games played in the NFL:

Tua 53
Burrow 52

 

This thread is just another example of why this forum doesn't get the traffic of other forums. Too much negativity about Tua on repeat for FIVE YEARS. The negative posters have fallen all the way down to rumor sites. Next it will just reposting from the Bills, Jets, and Pats forums.....

 

I think it’s a valid stance to have for some to want him to play out his fifth, don’t think we should be hating on folks who want that.

CBS reporting Tua has skipped most voluntary workouts this off-season.

Let’s stop taking shots at the forum when every forum has its negative type posters.

 

Do you pay a QB 50 million a season just because he can play all the games?

 

What would you have done with those QB's? Keep in mind their salary caps (despites some swearing it doesnt matter) are different.

I would have signed Burrow as he has done more in this time in NFL.

Jackson probably sign him as not sure what is out there which is better when they were forced to make a decision.

Herbert I would have waited for 5th year, unless there was a ton of cap room to make the move now instead of later.

I would wait on Tua for the 5th year and try to get as much help around him as possible with the other money.

 

He’s accomplished much more than you’re suggesting so either acknowledge his talants in this system or this convo is not gonna end well.

 

If you want to sign a proven starting QB in the NFL, that's now the rate you're going to pay. The other option is to accept you're in a rebuilding process and lose a bunch of games.

 

Did I mention Tua? See that is the issue on this board, too many are so bent up on Tua they can't see the forest for the Tua tree.

If you want to discuss Tua that is fine. If you view stats as the end all accomplishment, yes without question Tua has put up great stats.

 

but again, do you pay a QB 50 million just because he can play all the games? I would not based on the sole ability of him playing all the games.

 

It is just the latest anti-Tua stance in 5 years of anti-Tua stances. Those anti-Tua stances are never balanced with objective takes, like.... another year leading the league in most passing statistics will make him $10 million per year more expensive.

Jesus, this was your first response in the thread - "So this is your new stance on not signing him?"

The point isn't this take....it is that a few very vocal make EVERY take an anti-Tua take. This is especially problematic when they constantly move the goal posts when their previous anti-Tua takes were WRONG.

I can say with certainty that not every forum has this level of anti-Tua rhetoric. It is obvious that a few posters are only interested spewing the same narrative again and again. Contract talks is just the latest in a long line of disingenuous debates:

- The Dolphins haven't exercised the 5th year option, that proves they don't believe in Tua.
- Okay they exercised the 5th year option but haven't signed a long term deal, that proves they don't believe in Tua.
and very soon...
- Okay they signed a long term deal, that just proves they are idiots!!

If they are idiots, doesn't that mean we shouldn't assume they knew what they were doing when they delayed the 5th yer option and long term contract???? The point is that REALITY doesn't matter, it can always be twisted to fit the preconceived narrative.

It is so bad that I am convinced if Tua goes on to win the next 15 super bowls, we will have to hear:

- the team is carrying him
- don't cherry pick, he was terrible the first 4 years.....

 

Obviously he has to have proven that he's a viable starting QB in the NFL, which Tua has. No one is going to pay Gardner Minshew that kind of money, even though he played in 17 games and started 13 last season, because they know he's not that good. But Tua fits the offense, led the league in passing yards and completion percentage last year, and was 5th in TD passes, and second in passer rating. While we can debate his ceiling (and I remain in the like-not-love camp), you can't argue that he's "just a guy" and they can sign someone else that no other team wants to get similar production.

So if you want someone like that, then you're going to have to open up the checkbook and pay him. Or don't, let him walk and sign someone like Minshew next year, go through the losing record and seeing McDaniel fired, and start over yet again.

 

I agree, that’s why I’m challenging them to acknowledge what he does great at and engaging in other topics of the team.

And I disagree every forum has the same type posters

 

I wonder what "team sources" are saying about this?

 

In all honesty, I hate voluntary workouts. Not the concept of them, but the way people start questioning a player's work ethic, teamwork, etc.

 

I wish they weren't voluntary. These guys get paid an enormous amount of money to play a sport. After taking the point that their season ends through March off, they should be in the building five days a week from the start of April on. Not in pads hitting one another, obviously, but doing football work and conditioning, planning, learning, etc.

 

I would have understood if Tua was a rookie, if a new offense was being installed, or if there weren't multiple ways to work out in the offseason. But since not a single one of those apply, it's really not a big deal.

 

Last I checked, he's been training at 3DQB.

 

Both sides are using whatever leverage they have in negotiations its not a big deal.

And the basis of this thread is pretty hilarious. Someone with knowledge of a front office operations (not even the Dolphins) thinks he could get hurt? How earth shattering.

 

I think it’s just a false rumor and stemmed from some speculation

But I disagree about attendance, I think all players should be at team workouts voluntary or not especially the Qb

 

Then get rid of voluntary workouts.

 

Agree there should be a strict mandatory schedule, full time job here boys

 

I don't necessarily agree with that. If people are going to whine and moan about players not showing up for a voluntary team activities, then just strike Voluntary OTAs from the schedule and leave the rest of the schedule as is.

 

As a team who pays these people that’s entirely too much freedom on their own.

It’s really not much of their time, and they should all be doing it anyways