Sources: Rockets land Kevin Martin

Sorry, Knicks... Woj reporting:

To Sacramento: Tracy McGrady, Joey Dorsey, Carl Landry
To Houston: Kevin Martin, Kenny Thomas, Sergio Rodriguez, Hilton Armstrong

Hooray for watching Martin and Ariza compete against each other for shots!

Uh, contested shots.

Carl Landry is without question the best player in this deal.

Both woj and stein reported that landing t-rash in NY is the goal. The Kings dont want him around, they want Tyreke Evans handling the ball. McGrady eventually lands with the Knicks before the deadline tomorrow imo

Also, Martin usually isnt such a bad shooter, hes just never had a rhythm with Evans. The last few years hes shot: 42, 45.6, and 47.3 from the floor.

Tmac and Sergio Rodriguez to nyk for hill, jefferies Hughes swap draft positions in 2011 + the knicks 2012 1st. Per Marc stein twitter

seems like everyone got what they wanted out of this deal.

Houston gets Martin Hill n the picks they were insisting on all week

NY gets the cap space they badly needed although they did give in and get rid of Hill n the picks when they were reluctant to all week but its worth it to dump jefferies

Sac got a good cheap young player in Landry although it seems they should of been able to get more for Martin

I know the Heat was inquiring about Sergio Rodriguez..

Nice move by the Knicks.

I LOVE THAT TRADE.

No excuses for Lebron now.

The Knicks can Sign Lebron and a Junior Max now. (Joe Johnson)

hill is awful anyway so far so no loss there.

My July 1 phone call to lebron:
Hi Lebron, its Donnie Walsh from the knicks. Would you like Chris bosh, amare stoudamire, dirk, or Joe Johnson to be your new teammate? :)

"Boik14 wrote:

hill is awful anyway so far so no loss there.

My July 1 phone call to lebron:
Hi Lebron, its Donnie Walsh from the knicks. Would you like Chris bosh, amare stoudamire, dirk, or Joe Johnson to be your new teammate? :)

Actually the call is more like:

"Lebron, It's Donnie Walsh, we are waiting to see who the Miami Heat doesn't want so that we can offer a contract"

My money is on Lebron/Joe Johnson. Amare is a possibility if Miami doesn't want him.

"Section126 wrote:

Actually the call is more like:

"Lebron, It's Donnie Walsh, we are waiting to see who the Miami Heat doesn't want so that we can offer a contract"

My money is on Lebron/Joe Johnson. Amare is a possibility if Miami doesn't want him.

imo it won't be Jj cause the knicks have a ton of wing players. it will be amare or bosh with an outside chance at dirk.

"Boik14 wrote:

imo it won't be Jj cause the knicks have a ton of wing players. it will be amare or bosh with an outside chance at dirk.

No chance whatsoever at Dirk. he is resigning.

Miami will have their choice between Bosh and Amare. I know Riley loves Bosh..so Amare will be a good addition to play with lebron.

Tax incentives alone on a 85 million dollar deal makes miami the prime location for any free agent. let alone the city, weather, women, and the roster that will be better.

Going to be a great re-birth of the Heat-Knicks rivalry.

"Section126 wrote:

No chance whatsoever at Dirk. he is resigning.

Miami will have their choice between Bosh and Amare. I know Riley loves Bosh..so Amare will be a good addition to play with lebron.

Tax incentives alone on a 85 million dollar deal makes miami the prime location for any free agent. let alone the city, weather, women, and the roster that will be better.

Going to be a great re-birth of the Heat-Knicks rivalry.

I do miss hating the heat. While my hate for the bulls will never change as they have forever cemented themselves in to "jets status" I like Dwayne wade too much to hate the heat the way I use to. I'm sure that will change again soon :)

"Section126 wrote:

No chance whatsoever at Dirk. he is resigning.

Miami will have their choice between Bosh and Amare. I know Riley loves Bosh..so Amare will be a good addition to play with lebron.

Tax incentives alone on a 85 million dollar deal makes miami the prime location for any free agent. let alone the city, weather, women, and the roster that will be better.

Going to be a great re-birth of the Heat-Knicks rivalry.

Still don't understand why everyone assumes Bron is leaving Cle. Good chance to win the title this year - already has HUGE sponsorship deals in Cleveland (and we recently struck a deal with a Chinese marketing firm to market him across seas).

Why would Bron leave that to start over on a team like the Knicks that would have bare bones other than he and one other star?

If you want to argue about the Nets I get it - but NY? Why?

"PhiNomina wrote:

Still don't understand why everyone assumes Bron is leaving Cle. Good chance to win the title this year - already has HUGE sponsorship deals in Cleveland (and we recently struck a deal with a Chinese marketing firm to market him across seas).

Why would Bron leave that to start over on a team like the Knicks that would have bare bones other than he and one other star?

If you want to argue about the Nets I get it - but NY? Why?

MY OPINION is that he is not leaving. I think he stays in Cleveland.

But the conventional wisdom and the anectdotal evidence is that he is.

"PhiNomina wrote:

Still don't understand why everyone assumes Bron is leaving Cle. Good chance to win the title this year - already has HUGE sponsorship deals in Cleveland (and we recently struck a deal with a Chinese marketing firm to market him across seas).

Why would Bron leave that to start over on a team like the Knicks that would have bare bones other than he and one other star?

If you want to argue about the Nets I get it - but NY? Why?

well I mean its not like cavs have a great supporting cast. Mo Williams is good but not irreplaceable. Verajo is average. Jamison will help but if it doesn't get done this year them IMO he will look at being able to pick a teammate of his choice to
Come with him to NY and have a couple of good young players like danilo gallinari and Wilson Chandler who talent wise exceed anything Cleveland has after mo and jamison. Plus I believe the knicks will have their MLE to add to their depth. Its basically allowing lebron be GM to a degree.

You know what is hilarious?

and why ONE player in the NBA makes a huge difference..

If the 4-168 Nets signed Lebron James and did NOTHING else...they would be instant contenders on paper.

really....look at their roster...not bad for a young team. They just have a hard time scoring more points than their opponents every night. lol

"Boik14 wrote:

well I mean its not like cavs have a great supporting cast. Mo Williams is good but not irreplaceable. Verajo is average. Jamison will help but if it doesn't get done this year them IMO he will look at being able to pick a teammate of his choice to
Come with him to NY and have a couple of good young players like danilo gallinari and Wilson Chandler who talent wise exceed anything Cleveland has after mo and jamison. Plus I believe the knicks will have their MLE to add to their depth. Its basically allowing lebton to be

I say Mo Williams and Jamison are better than Gallo and Chandler. By far. After that we have Varejao and Hickson who aren't superstars but Varejao is a GREAT defender and Hickson has a lot of potential.

Not sure Gallo and Chandler plus Amar'e are enough of an improvement to make it worth leaving the best team in the NBA. I guess that is my point. I think other teams are going to have to make a HUGE case for him to leave rather than the Cavs for him to stay.

Here, he has one of the top 3 teams in the league over the last few years. He has a GM who has turned scrubs into valuable pieces and an owner who is more willing to spend money than anyone in the league. Another team is going to have to show that it is a no-brainer for him to leave.

"Section126 wrote:

You know what is hilarious?

and why ONE player in the NBA makes a huge difference..

If the 4-168 Nets signed Lebron James and did NOTHING else...they would be instant contenders on paper.

really....look at their roster...not bad for a young team. They just have a hard time scoring more points than their opponents every night. lol

I can't believe more people don't talk about this.

It is exactly what I am saying with Cleveland - sure you take away Bron and they are HORRIBLE - but it is because they are built to have role players around Bron.

It seems the Nets did it backwards - they went out and got all of the role players before the super star. If you added Bron or Wade to that team they are incredible.

Varejao is not a "GREAT" defender. He is the best FLOPPER of all-time.

Cleveland is doing it with the old Riley formula.

Rebounding + Defense + Good 3 pt. Shooting + One goto guy = Championship.

"Section126 wrote:

Varejao is not a "GREAT" defender. He is the best FLOPPER of all-time.

He hasn't flopped almost at all since they changed the rule. Watch a few Cavs games - he started out as a flopper and flailer - but he has refined his game to become much better.

His new trick is to jump straight up and down with his arms extended straight up when someone is driving. There was a rule change to allow this but he still gets called for it all the time.

"PhiNomina wrote:

He hasn't flopped almost at all since they changed the rule. Watch a few Cavs games - he started out as a flopper and flailer - but he has refined his game to become much better.

His new trick is to jump straight up and down with his arms extended straight up when someone is driving. There was a rule change to allow this but he still gets called for it all the time.

You don't have to sell me on Varejao. I like him as a player. But he is annoying as hell.

When Wade dunked that ball down his throat here in Miami...it was a great day in sports history.

"PhiNomina wrote:

I say Mo Williams and Jamison are better than Gallo and Chandler. By far. After that we have Varejao and Hickson who aren't superstars but Varejao is a GREAT defender and Hickson has a lot of potential.

Not sure Gallo and Chandler plus Amar'e are enough of an improvement to make it worth leaving the best team in the NBA. I guess that is my point. I think other teams are going to have to make a HUGE case for him to leave rather than the Cavs for him to stay.

Here, he has one of the top 3 teams in the league over the last few years. He has a GM who has turned scrubs into valuable pieces and an owner who is more willing to spend money than anyone in the league. Another team is going to have to show that it is a no-brainer for him to leave.

But amare or bosh is better then jamison. Gallo and Chandler are better then mo and verajao and are still growing as players. And this assumes the knicks don't find a way to keep lee in the mix.
Better supporting cast = better shot at championship.

"Section126 wrote:

You don't have to sell me on Varejao. I like him as a player. But he is annoying as hell.

When Wade dunked that ball down his throat here in Miami...it was a great day in sports history.

Haha that was amazing. And Andy looked furious.

Andy is like Joey Porter - you like him as long as he is on your team.

"PhiNomina wrote:

Haha that was amazing. And Andy looked furious.

Andy is like Joey Porter - you like him as long as he is on your team.

I don't like him and he is on my team. :lol:

Well I admit he is a lot better now than he was, but when he held out I wished they would have just let him stay in brazil and put the money elsewhere.

"Section126 wrote:

You know what is hilarious?

and why ONE player in the NBA makes a huge difference..

If the 4-168 Nets signed Lebron James and did NOTHING else...they would be instant contenders on paper.

really....look at their roster...not bad for a young team. They just have a hard time scoring more points than their opponents every night. lol

They have a very nice building block with Lopez, Harris, Yi, CDR, and Courtney Lee.

If the Nets land LBJ, Wade, Bosh, or Amare they'll be very good. I think even Joe Johnson or Rudy Gay makes them a playoff team.

Nets will be decent in a year or two, IMO, regardless of what moves they make.

If they win the lottery and land John Wall, then they'll be back in the playoffs as early as next season as a low seed.