yes please...id do just about anything.

 

I wouldn't mind Jack, I just don't like drafting injured guys, but he could be special.

 

So Matthews confirmed what Campbell said about Tannehill having audible power under Sherman and Philbin/Lazor took it away.

 

For me it depends on how injured he is and if the injury has the potential to hurt the rest of his career.

Myself I do not like counting on rookies, so drafting an injured guy does help keep expectations low, while giving the Dolphins a chance to draft a guy who would probably have zero chances of being available at 8 if he wasn't hurt.

 

I think McShay's reasoning is spot on in this case, we need a playmaker at the 2nd level badly. We need a guy that can make big plays and disrupt the game, if Jack's healthy when the season starts he could be that guy. Getting a really good CB isn't a bad way to go either.

 

Drop and give me Fuller, Vadaal Alexander and Karl Joseph...

jusr kidding, take Jack if he's there...

 

Somehow, I'm not surprised that's what you took from the quote.

Even though Matthews said they were confused as to why he wasn't allowed to audible.

You should stop calling what Tannehill was allowed to do "audibling." When people say "audible" they are not referring to what Lazor allowed Tannehill to do.

"I hope he gets that freedom in this new offense." Then he references Tannehill's second year, the last time he could actually audible, and the freedom Tannehill had.

 

You sure you read what he said correctly?

 

That was exactly what I was thinking.

 

English comprehension - Fin D talks about it all the time

 

Yes. He clearly says they wondered why plays weren't being audibled, and further elaborated that he hopes Tannehill had the freedom to audible in this new system, like he did his second year.

Unless he's referring to Lazor's second year. But, when he says "our second year," I took that to mean 2013, the second year of both Tannehill and Matthews.

I could be wrong, but that seems to make the most sense.

 

Huh? What did I take from the quote? Your defense of Tannehill is so rabid, you're inserting criticism of Tanny that isn't there.

I pointed out that Campbell wasn't lying. Campbell said he could audible under Sherman. That's Tanny's 2nd year. In Tanny's 3rd year Philbin and Lazor decided they didn't want him to audible anymore. All I said was, Rishard verified what Campbell said. Nothing more nothing less, and you jump into a defense of Tannehill? Dude, something's really got ahold you man.

 

Thank you guys. I had to re-read what I wrote in case I worded it incorrectly!

 

No, I talk about reading comprehension.

 

Yeah, sorry. Was having a bit of a rough day. Read more into than I should have.

Sidenote, though, no one has claimed Campbell was lying about that. Also, are you admitting with that statement that Tannehill couldn't audible? You have been arguing for awhile that Tannehill could audible.

 

Its not spin its what I say. You could actually do a little research instead of do your little stupid annoying ****.

 

I can't stomach passing on a starting caliber CB or DE to take a WLB. Good corners and pass rushers are too hard to come by, turning one down to take a guy at a less impactful position, a position that's already filled by a decent young player, seems ill advised IMO.

 

I know the season is over.. but let's not forget that horrific run defense. We have the talent on the DL. We need LB help BAD. Jack, if healthy, can play in principle at any LB spot, and I'd be really happy to have him as our pick.

Of course I wouldn't be down on taking a CB with our first either. We were terrible there too.

 

I argued he had a ton of options as laid out with specific detail. Very specific. I argued with Fin D that it was more than (run play left or right). He had more options. If you want I can go back and quote exactly what I wrote. Whether one considers it audibling, or options. Tannehill didn't have the opportunity to just go off the reservation and call a completely different play. I never argued that. What I said was, and confirmed and talked about by Lazor to the media, and confirmed with specificity elsewhere, is that Tanny is given Freedom at the line. A lot of freedom.

Put it this way, audibling is like you're given a steak dinner but you can order a completely different meal off the menu. Tanny wasn't allowed that. What he was allowed was a price fixe menu, and from that he could choose from X amount of dishes for each course. But he couldn't go to the a la carte menu. This is what Lazor discussed. He changed plays under Lazor. But he wasn't allowed to call a completely different play.

 

Except Matthews is saying Tannehill didn't have freedom, and he's hoping he'll get back to having freedom like he did in his second year.

 

Who even says "English comprehension?"

:tongue2:

 

English people?

 

And most of what you say is spin, just like this instance, what do you think he meant?

Spinners gonna spin...

 

That was funny as heck.

 

Maybe as Dolphins fans we do not consider LB an impactful position, because we're so accustomed to mediocre LB play ? I can't stomach passing on a special player, regardless of the position.

 

WTF are you even talking about?

 

It was not audibling.

You have to stop telling this lie. Having limited options in the way he did is not now nor has it ever been audibling. He was not allowed to change out of a play.

 

I agree on the run defense. I'm just not sure that adding a 6'0 230 LB will make the front 7 any better in that area. When I see Jack he looks like a terrific pass defender who will be average vs the run at WLB and perhaps below average in the middle or playing strong side. I could be wrong there but how many guys Jack's size play the middle in the the NFL? I think it would hurt his productivity and shorten his career. And again, with Jenkins and Jack at LB what are the chances that the run defense will improve?

I love him as player, my question is whether the Dolphins can afford to not take a DE or CB with an 8th overall. Grimes is the only reliable CB and he's old. Vernon may or may not be on the team. Wake is 34 and coming off an Achilles as a guy, like Grimes, who relies on quickness. These are not positions that can typically be filled thru mid round picks or FA. IMHO a chance to get a cheap, quality starter at DE or CB trumps adding a LB, perhaps not in general, but for the Dolphins specifically I'd say that's the case.

 

Throw misi back in the middle and draft Jack..he's so gifted, so athletic, if you watch him play in isolation you will see no strength issues, this is a player who plays the game with incredible leverage and flexibility, watch him sink down and extend his arms into an olineman who is coming at him, he takes on blocks with a violent thrusting upward punch..this dude is a different breed, it's the ultimate evolvement of a linebacker..can do it all, with ease and power..moves his body effortlessly into position to make plays..best player in the draft..

the name of the GM game is to amass talent..to try and find the extraordinary..Jack is every bit of that..

 

yeah I don't know why he labeled him as some 6'0 230 lb linebacker crap, but then comes back, don't get me wrong I love him crap...quit ridin the fence..the guys fu##in great and we should only be so lucky to have him...which ain't gonna happen.

 

He obviously hasn't seen Jack's bubble. :shifty:

 

I love you too Bro. But to answer your question, I don't fall in love with college players, period.

He's listed at 6'1 230. Let's go with that. It's WLB size. Bulking up to play a different position can cause issues, see Jordan, Dion. If you want to ignore that, cool.

Let's not pretend the NFL is college. It's about the money. Jack can play WLB for 10 years or he can play MLB or Sam for 5-6 years. Which do you think he'd prefer? Lamar Miller can be a 12-15 carry guy for 10 years or carry the load for 5 years. I'd hate to see Jack slamming into pulling guardo when he's physically designed to chase plays down from the back side.

Suh is a disruptive force. He's not trying to eat blocks like Bowens and Gardner so some other guy can get all the credit. Watching last season showed me as much.

And let's be honest. If you can't rush the Passer or line up and blanket WRs on the outside then it doesn't matter who you have at LB, offenses will scheme ways to dissect your defense.

 

lo siento no deniro - comprende

 

sometimes piston you just piss me off and i wanna let you know..don't mean anything, Im pretty sure we'd get along in real life..

not sure where your getting you measurement, he's over 6'1 and he's at 245..

and I don't want him to play the mike, never said that..I want him to play where I get the most out of his athleticism...the dude loves taking on guys 50lbs heavier, its in his nature and he's very good at it..great at multiple things..no glaring weaknesses..

 

def not..he needs to before he comes in here talking his 230 lbs poopie.

 

I have a life. I don't get mad over what strangers say on football message boards. But that's just me.

I've seen him listed at 6'1 245. I've seen him listed at 6'1 230. Depends on the source. In my experience, guys tend to be smaller than advertised. He wouldn't be the first guy to bulk up for a combine when his actual playing weight is somewhat lower.

Overall point remains the same. DE and CB needs over LB, especially for this current team. Address that if you dont mind. WADR I'm not interested in your personal feelings.

 

Good post, thanks for sharing the vids.

We don't agree on his role or impact level when he reaches the NFL. Im thinking Thomas Davis or Lavonte David. Good, good players. Still, when you're weak at CB and DE can you afford to go that route?