I like it!

 

Problem is, the defense wasn't the biggest reason they lost yesterday. Offense netted 7 points. That ain't good enough!

 

It doesn't likely mean anything for the rest of this year, but if Suh is an established team leader going into 2016 who the guys in the locker room respect and listen to, then its a good thing long term. Great as he's been on the field, and as good a person as he seems to be off of it, Wake isn't known to be a vocal leader. I don't know if we've had someone like that who wasn't also a problem since JT retired.

 

I'll tell you what; I've been pleasantly surprised by Suh lately. I was expecting a dirty, gritty player but yesterday was the 3rd or 4th time I saw him restrain himself when he could have rocked the QB's world...and that's a true professional.

 

One of the reasons I loved getting him. His play, toughness and attitude is what has been sorely missing on this team for a decade.



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Hopefully other players will play better because they'll be afraid Suh will call them out. Now if only tannehill could do that for the offense.

 

I actually think he's restraining himself a bit too much. But yes, he's been nothing but professional since coming here.

 

I bet the next time he has the jest QB in his grasp, he doesn't let up.

 

The Best thing that could come of this. Is if Tanny would learn from Suh's example and become a leader as well?

 

Defense let them march right down the field and score after we had tied the game.

They played FAR from a perfect game.

I seem to remember a 3rd and 12 that the whole entire world knew would be a screen, except the dudes on the field. And THAT cost us the game. We would have gotten the ball back with the lead if they stopped that.

But they rarely do.

And that my friends is on the coaching.

 

But let's be fair, we know Brice, Jamar and Koa are complete trash. Ain't a whole lot chewing them out will do.

Were Tanny and the bunch in this meeting getting chewed out?

 

This made me laugh.

 

Maybe see what Lippett can do?

 

Its either in your DNA or it isnt.

Theres no leadership development program in the NFL. This isnt the military where you can develop leadership.

You have to show it in inspired play, toughness, passion, and elite play. the players actually have to believe in you.

Tannehill will never be a leader, he's too robotic like Chad Henne used to be for us.

 

At times, the defense (esp. the line) looked good. Backup LBs, backup DBs make it tough on any D. Communication, etc. just isn't the same.

 

The problem with Tanne ripping the offense a new one, is he really can't, with as inconsistent as he's been this year.

I really am souring on him, if only because I thought I'd see more from him this season.

 

That's great to see but unfortunately a bit too late to save this season.

 

Olivier Vernon has been playing great the last two games as well

 

Brice McCain. He wears #24. The guy is hot garbage

 

Our offense has to many weapons at wr and rb to be this bad.

 

Pshh how's Tannehill supposed to rip the offense when he's the one who threw the pick six, and he's the one that had time to throw and couldn't get it done, and he's the one that is robotic in the pocket without any awareness, and he's the one that couldn't convert on third down. He should probably just chew himself out. Won't do any good, they'll forget it by Sunday and the Jets will get a bounce back win when they sodomize us in New York on Sunday.

 

we have RB's? better tell lazor

 

That is a concern with Tanne, and has been, he's just not "the man" enough on the field to be able to act like he's "the man", so that could back fire quite badly if he tried, if he was a natural born leader he MIGHT be able to get away with it, but he isn't, so it's smart of him to not try and force it, because he could lose a part of the team doing so, and then it's all over basically.

As far as him improving, I was dubious because he's reached that stage of his career and age where most players start to plateau, very rarely does any one continue to progress as much as he had for more than a few years, during the learning curve, so I thought he might be starting to plateau, and it seems he has.

 

It turned out the meeting was about a Big Mac he had been saving for after the game. Someone took it from the fridge even though it had his name on it. When asked about the game, Suh responded, "I refuse to call him that. That ain't his name. It's Jayceon Taylor."

 

How many drives are allowed to continue because of penalties and poor play on the back end? How many Third and longs do opposing teams convert by screens and runs? How many 80+ yard drives and precious minutes drained from games?

 

Far more it seems than our offense does to opposing defenses.

 

It is magnified by the ineptitude of Miami's offense.

 

I asked in another thread, but does anyone have any stats about our average distance to gain on third down, vs the rest of the league?

I'd like to see that, especially given the amount of criticism thrown Tannehill's way, in regards to third down conversion.

 

Yeah, that's my feeling, too. Would just like to see if the stats back that up.

 

Big ball of baloney. Dallas controlled the 2nd half because our defense couldn't stop them.

 

Can't find it directly, but you can go by career splits of different QB's and compare the relative number of attempts for different "yards to go" on 3rd down.

For example:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TannRy00/splits/
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/L/LuckAn00/splits/
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BradTo00/splits/
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RoetBe00/splits/
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WilsRu00/splits/
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MannPe00/splits/
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BreeDr00/splits/

are just some QB's I looked up.

Compare the 3rd and 4-6 vs. 7-9 vs. 10+ (yards to go) pass attempts:

Tannehill: 149, 101, 186
Luck: 159, 98, 158
Brady: 537, 448, 551
Big Ben: 413, 334, 434
Wilson: 138, 99, 134
Peyton: 723, 567, 672
Brees: 596, 461, 548

I guess you can see that Tannehill has a higher percentage of 10+ yard 3rd downs he needs to convert than those other QB's. In percentage terms Tannehill has 10+ yards needed 42.7% of the time compared to 34-38% for all the other QB's. Now.. having only a sample size of 7 makes inferences unreliable, but if all the other 6 QB's have 10+ yards on 3rd down 34-38% of the time and Tannehill is the only one at 42.7%, then it's looking more and more likely that if we got the data for ~30 QB's, Tannehill would be way on the upper end of the distribution and probably "statistically significant" from the mean.

It doesn't directly answer your question, but it's a hint that Tannehill may on average have a harder task in terms of yards to go on 3rd down than most other starting QB's.

 

They allowed 17 points...no matter how you chop it that side of the ball did enough to win, and per usual outperformed our garbage *** offense.

 

They always fold with the game on the line. Been doing it for years.

 

He is a big part of the reason we are in 3rd and longs, not sure how that helps his case for anything.