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I will go ahead and say it now. I don't think John Beck is the answer as well. However, it's unfair to judge him completely when you have defenders in your face as soon as the ball is snapped. But I think we need a towering franchise QB like Matt Ryan. I think Beck will make a great backup one day, I just don't see him being a great NFL QB as of now. He had a chance to show something and he showed very little.
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i mean the guy played well in his first 2 games, 0 TDs, but he still made good throws and decisions. after that he went downhill. for a 27 year old guy, he needs to be ready ASAP.
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And yes you are right, the guy has way to many Turnovers for a franchise QB.
I'm not ready to give up on Beck either, I think he can be better than Drew Brees. But I'm just not willing to put all our eggs in that basket. The QB position is just to important to risk it. -
Neither does Brennan.
Take Glen Dorsey or Jake Long. -
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Gholston is the best Defensive player on the board hands down. For those of you in doubt, just watch the National Championship Game and see him dominate.
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I think Beck is fine. I will not give up on him YET. However we need to make a determination quick fast and in a hurry. I like Matt Ryan. simply put the kid is a winner. He has that it factor much like Romo. You can't teach it.
I don't think Ryan is a 1st over all pick BUT he may be becasue he fits the need for the team picking 1st over all. and if we don't take him Atlanta will with the 4th or 5th pick. -
He's a gamer Imo. Give him a great O-line and good receivers and I think he will do very well in the NFL. -
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I think we should grab a QB only if we do the trade down scenario. Otherwise, now is the time to shore up our defense and grab a playmaker on offense and a lineman or two.
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I honestly think we should be looking for defense in the 1st 3 pick this draft... That is where the difference is made in most ball games. If you have a rookie QB, with a sound defense, then a mistake or 2 can be overcome by the defense...
As far as QBs, I have a feeling that CLEO will be our starter next year... This kid is 1 step away from a BREES or Anderson in my opinion... Maybe even a McNabb... He has 7 starts under his belt and the game against the Ravens was a nice game... 93% passer rating, 315 yards, 1 TD, ZERO INTS! Now can this be disputed as a fluke game against one of the better known defenses in the league? Sure it can... But since he has come back in, he has led drives to scores...
I am telling you all one thing right now... This kid has what it takes and the only thing he needs is a little time... -
Ken, I expect the 1st 3 picks to be defense. Only because that is where I expect the best talent to be at when we make our selections.
As I have said before, the best thing about this team(or worst), is that we have a legitimate hole everywhere (except K and C, probably RB too). That will afford us the opportunity to simply pick BPA with each and every selection. And that probably means defense.
Watch us pick defense at #1 though, and wind up with OL, WR, or TE (2 of the 3) with both picks in the 2nd round, lol. -
It was a fluke game versus the Ravens. First, he was throwing against the #3 and #4 CBs of the Ravens, second he missed a number of open recievers, third, he still makes stupid mental errors like running out of bounds and losing 7 yds and putting the Phins out of FG range.
Lemon is #2 QB material, on a good day. He has been in the NFL for what, four years now? He has a better grasp of the offensive system Cam runs than Beck, but I don't see the upside with Cleo.
I'd love to tell you I'm sold that Beck is the answer, but that is uncertain. You do need to give John 08, with more talent around him, and expect major progress. If he falters, you draft another QB in 09, and the Phins will have another high one if Beck stumbles in 08. -
I don't think this game was a fluke... I think this kid has talent that has yet to be tapped... He needs time... Those plays where he ran out of bounds and hesitated running the ball is merely an indecision that can be corrected easily... I am willing to be that you will not see thee same thing with him this week...
I think CAM is addressing the issue with those plays in practice this week... If I was CAM, I would tell him point blank that if you are flushed from the pocket and see no open receivers, you tuck it and run... -
but then again, that's the excuse made for every dud bomb that we've had parade through here clear back to fiedler, and i'm done with leeway and waiting, and every other self-deception, myself.
if we do keep the 1st overall pick, at this point i'd take ryan. i like brennan too, but have questions about his consistency against top competition and that's not something you want in a #1 pick; much less at quarterback.
i would take brennan starting around the mid-1st, though, when the elite talent starts to thin.
but think of this: with two 1st-round picks, we could possibly pick up otah/long and either gosder cherilus or chris williams from vandy.
instant excellent offensive line - just add picks.
chiris long projects better at de, with 284 pounds on a 6'4" frame.
however, he is not the absolutely dominant de you would want in a pick with as high a value as the #1 overall; he had 14 sacks in his senior season, but only 7 total sacks in the three seasons before that.
given a dataset of three mediocre years and one great year, you have to at least question whether the kid is worth an investment of that magnitude. and with that kind of question hanging out there, i don't think you could make a solid case for that pick.
then again, i thought hagan would be really good. :001_rolleyes:
we must trade down, value be damned to a certain extent - say, within 20% of "book" value.
if we only got a 1st and a 2nd, that would enable us to totally finish fixing the ol in one draft, and through the increased number of picks, still allow us to start rebuilding the defense from the middle out, the way it should be.
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i don't believe one can judge EVERYTHING about a young qb in one season; but man, if you don't take at least some of what you see at face value, then no evidence whatsoever could be collected in any player's first couple years - and that's simply illogical.
when a qb starts out as badly as beck has, you owe it to your team to AT LEAST hedge your bets; otherwise, as a personnel exec you're simply not performing your due diligence.
and if you end up with two excellent players at the most important position in football, well then - what a nice problem to have, right?! :thumbup: -
However, I am not sold on Ceo Lemon. He has flaws that are only correctable to a certain degree. He looks like a thrower and not a passer. He waits too long to throw the ball which means he has trouble anticipating throwing windows. He also has accuracy problems, during the Baltimore game he missed on some throws to wide open receivers.
The accuracy thing is what scares me the most being it's the hardest flaw for a QB to overcome.
We better hope Beck is as good as Cam thinks he was when he and Randy drafted him. Otherwise we will not be a great offense. -
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i really believe that ryan's issues are largely a matter of learning to make better reads and improving his decision-making, which are teachable by a good qb coach. we'll just have to get us one of them there coaches!
seriously though, his mediocre rating in college could have been dramatically improved if he had simply been held to a higher standard by his coaches at bc. i do believe it is something that wouldn't be an issue by about his second year in the pros.Last edited: Dec 19, 2007 -
you're right in that observation about being a thrower vs. a passer. he is little more than an arm, and that doesn't cut it. -
I don't know. I would hope that the #1 overall pick will be someone that could contribute immediately and step right into starting role. Although, my first choice would be to trade down, we just have so many holes to fill. I think Brennan in the 2nd would actually be better value, especially if Cam is back next season. Brennan's quick decisions and quick release would be a perfect fit in Cam's offense. I'm still holding out hope that Beck will come through though. We have so many holes to fill without having to take another QB high this year.Last edited: Dec 19, 2007 -
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Look at Randy Moss for example... He struggled the last 2 years with Oakland and the final year or 2 with Minnesota... Now he is on the top of the list of receivers again!!! Why is that?
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