You can tell where the Patriots game was in 2013 and when we had our hearts ripped out....

 

Innaresting. Thanks for this.

 

Its a great point man..but its gonna fall on deaf ears Im afraid.

 

Nice effort, thanks

 

As we know, QB rating isn't a perfect stat. In fact it's pretty flawed, so we have to keep in mind that during these 36 games, Tannehill has really only been asked to manage the game most of the time, while Luck and Brees were often asked to take the game over and put the team on their shoulders. However, its fairly obvious to see that over that span Luck has had a higher ceiling and a higher floor. His highs are higher, and his lows are lower.

Also, its fairly obvious that Brees has the ability to absolutely take the game over and win it by himself. I'm not sure Tannehill is capable of that.

 

I bet if you graph Brees rating with home or away there's a pretty good correlation

 

Drew Brees is also a really extreme example. He's probably one of the few elite QBs that didn't look good early in his career.

 

The fact that you say that means you really have no clue. brees first 36 games he had LT as his rb predominately and wasnt the focal point so that bunks that argument Brees was asked to carry SD

 

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Yep. Brees wasn't asked to do much of anything early on, and he still sucked. He never improved until the Chargers drafted Philip Rivers.

 

One thing to take away from that is that in the NFL, every game is different.

 

Problem is you could likely insert many young QBs that ultimately failed in that graph and they would be the same. It's all about how you progress and we need to see a lot more of last Sunday than the previous 3.

 

Miami's next Kid-A. While I'm optimistic, he has yet to truly answer the morning bell. After each games National Anthem we hope is everything in it's right place?, or are we going to be watching an idiotech orchestrated by a stiff with treefingers, often left in limbo while the QB wonders how to disappear completely. Is it just another motion picture soundtrack we've seen repeatedly, Griese and Marino's tunes played off-key and off-tempo.

 

This is one of my greatest fears, I absolutely believe in Ryan Tannehill's talent but I'm very worried it will take drafting a QB high like the Chargers did for him to really start playing like the franchise QB I believe he can be. I may go crazy if the same thing happens to us as San Diego and we get a very good QB and let go of an elite one who goes on to win a Super Bowl.

Thank you BPK, I was just thinking about looking to compare Brees' early days to Tannehill's myself.

 

I honestly think that Joe Philbin stumbled into something last week by putting his foot in his mouth. Ryan Tannehill looks to me like a guy who needs to find a mental/emotional edge, and if it takes the head coach throwing him under the bus like a schmuck to give him that edge, then so be it.

Too often, Ryan looks like the guy who's just happy to be where he is, when the truth is that where he is isn't quite where he needs to be. I only say this because I honestly think that we will draft a QB this off-season and I think that it will make him better. This is not a bad thing. Most teams would slit throats to have the same dilemma that Chargers team had as Drew Brees went into free agency.

 

I think it's important to point out that Brees' first 36 games came over 10 years ago. The average passer rating then was much lower and not really comparable.

For example, by raw passer rating Brees and Tannehilll both finished their first year as professional starters with similar years; Brees' was 76.9 while Tannehill's was 76.1. But the passing environments were very different 10 years ago, and the average passer rating was much lower in 2002. The stat Rate+ attempts to account for that. Brees' Rate+ in 2002 was 97, which means his passer rating of 76.9 was only 3% lower than average. Tannehill's Rate+, on the other hand, was 89, or a full 11% below average.

I think that's an important distinction to make.

EDIT: Of course you can still see his consistency trends and how he performed week to week, just wanted to point out that the direct comparison to Tannehill and Luck don't really work. An 85 rating ten years ago is very different than an 85 rating today.

 

Im so sick of hearing how good Luck is..not that I disagree..but the guy hadnt thrown one pass before everyone handed him a yellow jacket

 

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I think that may have been the catalyst but I think it has more to do with the conversion that never took place place with Marino to be honest. the beginning of that Raiders game he had that Marino glare going and for a split second had a flashback.

 

I think it had more to do with getting used to the new offense/ Playing a bad team let it click better.

 

oh I know that was it for his play but I think that fire in his eyes Sunday was all Marino :D

 

I cant see any scenario where we dont draft a Qb .... just a matter of what round..but we need to get in the habit of taking one every season

 

If you're looking for somebody to compare him to that had a cruddy start to their career but has gone on toe have success look at Eli Manning. Though, despite not having great passer rating stats Manning was 12th in passing DVOA his second and third year.

 

Did anybody scan the Bama fan? How do we know hes not one of Satan's agents?!?! REV! REV! We need you man!

 

While we are comparing 17 to other QBs... I seem to remember he broke a certain other QBs total yards his rookies season. So put that in your pipe.

 

Tannehill's cost us some games and missed some shots. Rodgers misses a wide open Nelson or makes him have to wait for the ball, it takes points off the board changes the complexion of games and costs playoffs. As a whole, his body of work has been a disappointment. If we see improvement and he gets 7-5 in the remainder, then we say his trajectory is improving which is all we want to see.

 

First, it's likely that San Diego would have gotten something for Brees if he hadn't been injured in that last regular season game. That hurt his value, and only Miami and New Orleans even kicked his tires in free agency.

Second, Rivers is looking really good lately. I'd take that.

It's highly doubtful that Tannehill is going to turn into an All-Pro just because the Dolphins draft somebody, but the team needs to light a fire under him, apparently, and the team also needs to set itself up for the future.

 

Over and over I go back to this:

Arians' words match reality: Carson Palmer threw 10 touchdowns against 14 interceptions in his first eight games last season as the Cardinals went 4-4. In the final eight games, he threw 14 touchdowns against eight interceptions, and the team finished the regular season 6-2.

“It was Week 8 for us last year,” Arians continued. “Then, all of a sudden, you could see the guys around him start to get it and play faster and play better.

“Instead of waiting to see a guy come open, [Palmer] was throwing guys open. When you are waiting to see a guy come open, you are going to throw interceptions because your eyes are there too soon and too long. When you can throw the ball on time, trust the receiver is going to be there, everything happens a second or a second-and-a-half faster, and that is a lot of time when you are talking about the passing game.”


Tannehill has had the same offense, same verbage for as long as hes ever played QB, before this year. Yes he got over 1500 reps in with camp, etc, but its not live game action. Once it clicks...youll start seeing more and more games like the Oakland game. Hell, he looked light years better in that game.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on...anning-could-need-months-to-learn-new-offense

So many times Ive heard how inaccurate he is....but nobody wanted to accept hes learning a new offense. Just hes in his third year he should have gotten it by now. What I think we want to see is Tannehill start putting a string of post 90 QBR games together. Really, with the way our running game is going, theres no reason why he shouldnt.

 

You know..a very simple way to illustrate. For those of you who like to play Madden...you probably have one playbook you like to use. You know all the routes...how your protection sets up etc. You know where a reciever is going to be open..really without having to look...now use another offense thats very different. See how well you do.

 

I think the problem most have is that he had the same issues in an offense he ran in college and for his first couple years in the pros. The same issues he has now, inconsistency, inaccurate, poor pocket presence, poor deep ball.

 

Really?

How much of his college ball did you watch?

I wonder if you go back and look at his draft profiles...is there anywhere that says hes inaccurate, has poor pocket presence, and a poor deep ball?

No offense but that sounds allot like your just regurgitating. Now, Ill be happy to admit Im wrong, if you can show me he had those issues in college.

Most places Ive read is that he was raw, and was going to take a few years to develop. Hes in year three....learning a new offense. Really, Im not sure why anyone is surprised, almost everyone that scouted him saw a rough gem, a guy who had the stuff, but not the experience and was gonna take awhile to develop.

 

He played 6 more games than Marino...

 

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2011/profiles/ryan-tannehill?id=2532956
Mike Mayock thought he was accurate and had good pocket presence but was going to take time to develop. He really saw him as a running threat.

http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/...ack-in-2012-draft/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0
Here's a video of a college game against Oklahoma State and Tannehill shows the same mind numbing highs and lows that he has displayed in the NFL.

 

What I see is that Tannehill had 9 total games that were on par or above the production of Brees or Luck for that corresponding week. For 27 of those games, he was outperformed. So I'm not sure where the rah-rah's are seeing a great Tannehill trend here....because it was two average seasons where he consistently under-performed and choked come playoff time.

 

Palmer, Eli manning, Joe Flacco and Phillip Rivers have all proven to be successful QBs at some point in the past, them taking time to adjust is not evidence that Tannehill just needs more time to adjust. And maybe he does but there still is no proof that he'll ever be good even when he does adjust. I'm not saying he won't ever be good either but we still need to see some tangible evidence at some point, any evidence will do but I can't come up with anything to get some traction with at the moment. Show us a few more games like the London game and maybe I'll start to buy in.

 

The qb you speak of didn't start until week 6 and it was a lot tougher to throw the ball in 1983 compared to 2014.