The Houston Texans...Overrated?
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djphinfansubscriberOPI think so..
And I believe we are catching them at the perfect time..
I'm not sure why they are getting so much hype..their not a better team than they were last year Imo.
Eric Winston..D Ryans and Mario Williams, Jacoby Jones, Lawrence Vickers, All missing, a QB who's coming off a linfranc injury, tells me he hasn't trained on the field, or in the weight room (and trust me, he could if used it.) as much as I think you need to to keep elevating your game..
Also, Andre Johnson had offseason surgery on that knee, and missed all OTAs..He said he was doing normal things in the offseason and it just started swelling up, got it scoped and should be 100 percent come training camp, now he is one bad dude, we know that, he's 31, was injured most of the season last year, and all I need is one game for him to be not a monster and get the hell out of there with a W, so maybe that scope kept him from training like a mad man in the offseason, we'll see.
They lost Vickers their fullback who helped pave the way for Foster and Tate, and previously Peyton Hilis's big year, moving James casey to fullback who is not one..I like Casey as a player in route, very similar to our own player in Clay, but when it comes to blocking, not so much, I'm thinking there might be an adjustment period for Foster who seemed comfortable running behind Vickers..Speaking of Foster, he has decided to become a vegan, there is usually a bit of loss of size involved in that so I'm hoping that his body has an adjustment period, like til after week one..seriously, I'm sure he knows what he's doing but he's got to eat very strict if he's gonna get that protein in his body to retain that size and strength.
They picked up Dwight Jones and Devier Posey in the draft, and after Kevin Walter, they're pretty thin in the receiver unit, Posey I don't like, Dwight has some good talent, but If Johnson isn't 100 percent, we should dominate that matchup..
They replaced D Ryan with bradie James, reports are that he's looked good in place of Ryan, but I wouldn't say upgrade.
Eric Winston being let go was a shock to texans fans, who consider him a top 5 right tackle, Rashad Butler is his replacement, I'm not saying that he isn't talented, but, considering they have to replace the guard they lost in Briisiel as well,, (rookie replacement likely in Brandon Brooks) They on the line, and the slow Matt Shaub, might be a bit vulnerable to our good pass rush..
Losing a player the caliber of Mario Williams would hurt any team, I'm not his biggest fan, but offenses had to account for the guy, and now they dont, and nor will we come week one..Connor Barwin and JJ Watt are very good players, but they now will be getting more attention..
I know they are the medias little darling, and I know we haven't beat them, but their squad just doesn't scare me this year, and I think playing them in the first game with all their offseason transpirings, gives us a decent chance to get a W..
Whatta y'all think about the texans, can anyone make a case that they have improved their team?
Desidesforum_veteran"djphinfan wrote:
I'm not sure why they are getting so much hype..their not a better team than they were last year Imo.
Because they limped into the playoffs (for the first time in franchise history) without their star QB and still won (for the first time in franchise history). A second round playoff team getting their first string QB back is a big deal.
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If they're overrated then I want to be overrated just like them.
Fin-OmenalNew MemberThey have a young defense that is a yerar better and a full offseason with the best DC in the NFL. They didnt have Mario much anyways and losing Jacoby Jones is a good thing.
We CAN beat them but its the toughest team we will face until NE if you ask me.
GridIronKing34forum_veteranThey've been a good team for a while now but they seem to underachieve. It'll be interesting if they can repeat their effort from last year or will underachieve once again.
Killer Beesforum_veteranThey're our kryptonite man, it just seems something always goes right for them at the worst time for us. The game in 2008 when I almost cried and broke everything in my house after that last drive. Jeez would it be great to finally take them down week one.
Desidesforum_veteran"MisterCee wrote:
They're our kryptonite man, it just seems something always goes right for them at the worst time for us. The game in 2008 when I almost cried and broke everything in my house after that last drive. Jeez would it be great to finally take them down week one.
6-10 team with a new offense, new QB, new defense going up against a playoff team with its franchise QB returning.
Don't expect the Joe Philbin era to start off with a win.
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i think the loss of d ryans is a pretty big loss. Not sure how he would do in our scheme but i really like him as a player and wish we had of picked him up, coming off a season ending injury last season but i don't care, he's a player.
Fin-OmenalNew Member"Bofin wrote:
i think the loss of d ryans is a pretty big loss. Not sure how he would do in our scheme but i really like him as a player and wish we had of picked him up, coming off a season ending injury last season but i don't care, he's a player.
Well...
He is better than Dansby.
Alex13subscriber"Desides wrote:
6-10 team with a new offense, new QB, new defense going up against a playoff team with its franchise QB returning.
Don't expect the Joe Philbin era to start off with a win.
i like schaub, but i think he could be a little bit rusty, andre is also maybe not a concern, but he also has not played a meaningful game in some time, not really any game tape from the new offense we will show, i think we can win this game
shula_guyNew MemberI think we got a shot as long as we target our passing game @ J. Allen :lol:
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Alex13subscriber"shula_guy wrote:
I think we got a shot as long as we target our passing game @ J. Allen :lol:
he is with the bengals now
Boik14subscriber"Fin-Omenal wrote:
They have a young defense that is a yerar better and a full offseason with the best DC in the NFL. They didnt have Mario much anyways and losing Jacoby Jones is a good thing.
We CAN beat them but its the toughest team we will face until NE if you ask me.
Theyre the toughest team we face including NE imo. Thats a hell of a good defense even without mario and their offense isnt bad either. a lot of their players are younger and getting better.
"Desides wrote:
6-10 team with a new offense, new QB, new defense going up against a playoff team with its franchise QB returning.
Don't expect the Joe Philbin era to start off with a win.
Sadly youre probably right.
djphinfansubscriber"Desides wrote:
Because they limped into the playoffs (for the first time in franchise history) without their star QB and still won (for the first time in franchise history). A second round playoff team getting their first string QB back is a big deal.
"star" Qb is a bit of stretch for me Des..I know he"ll improve the position for the team that lost three strait without him, but I don't think he's a top 10 Qb, and he's coming off a severe injury that robbed him of his offseason..I don't expect an improved Matt Shaub that first game.
That team lost some good players who were also considered team leaders, and wasn't exactly players in free agent market.
I think their a vulnerable team first game of the year..
djphinfansubscriber"KingMotion wrote:
They didn't lose Mario Williams really. They made the playoffs with him out.
They had an easy schedule last year..
"Fin-Omenal wrote:
Well...
He is better than Dansby.
I don't see it.
Desidesforum_veteran"djphinfan wrote:
"star" Qb is a bit of stretch for me Des..I know he"ll improve the position for the team that lost three strait without him, but I don't think he's a top 10 Qb, and he's coming off a severe injury that robbed him of his offseason..I don't expect an improved Matt Shaub that first game.
Matt Schaub was 6th in the NFL in 2011 with a passer rating of 96.8. He was 9th in the NFL in 2010 with a rating of 92.0.
He's a top 10 QB.
"djphinfan wrote:
They had an easy schedule last year..
Most winning teams have easy schedules. There's nothing unique about that. Look at the strength of schedule of playoff teams each year and you'll find that they aren't exactly running the gauntlet. The 2007 Patriots did, though.
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djphinfansubscriber"Desides wrote:
Matt Schaub was 6th in the NFL in 2011 with a passer rating of 96.8. He was 9th in the NFL in 2010 with a rating of 92.0.
He's a top 10 QB.
Most winning teams have easy schedules. There's nothing unique about that. Look at the strength of schedule of playoff teams each year and you'll find that they aren't exactly running the gauntlet. The 2007 Patriots did, though.
Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning, Drew Bree's, Ben Rothlesberger, Eli Manning, Matt Stafford, Mike Vick, Tony Romo, Phillip Rivers..
Got him at 11 for now, but not for long with Cam newton and Andrew Luck in the league...He's a good Qb, but not a star to me, and very beatable, especially after his offseason.. IMO, Shaub isn't a guy who trains his body very seriously, so I'm hoping him not being able to do much on that foot for months, will set his progression back a bit.
Desidesforum_veteran"djphinfan wrote:
Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning, Drew Bree's, Ben Rothlesberger, Eli Manning, Matt Stafford, Mike Vick, Tony Romo, Phillip Rivers..
In 2011, Schaub was better than Roethlisberger, Eli Manning, Michael Vick, and Philip Rivers. Some of that can be attributed to Schaub's improvement, some of that can be attributed to down seasons by some of those players, particularly Rivers and Roethlisberger, both of whom played below their career average passer rating.
Schaub is a top 10 QB.
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Fin-OmenalNew Member"Desides wrote:
In 2011, Schaub was better than Roethlisberger, Eli Manning, Michael Vick, and Philip Rivers. Some of that can be attributed to Schaub's improvement, some of that can be attributed to down seasons by some of those players, particularly Rivers and Roethlisberger, both of whom played below their career average passer rating.
Schaub is a top 10 QB.
Going a little far there.
Desidesforum_veteran"Fin-Omenal wrote:
Going a little far there.
No, I'm not. He was the 6th highest rated QB in the NFL in 2011.
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Fin-OmenalNew Member"Desides wrote:
No, I'm not. He was the 6th highest rated QB in the NFL in 2011.
Ok, but does that mean he is better than a Philip Rivers? No.
I like Schaub always have but sometimes figure lie.
Starry31forum_veteranConnor Barwin and JJ Watt are very good players, but they now will be getting more attention..
Very good indeed, I like Barwin a lot and expect him to play really well. Obviously these things change but right now I'd personally have the Texans and Patriots as the top dogs in the AFC. Hopefully we can sneak a win but it won't be easy.
ckparrotheadmoderatorThey're not overrated but we are playing them at the best time of the season. Matt Schaub coming off the injury, maybe a little rusty. Arian Foster coming off a big year, gets his big contract, sometimes when that happens the guy doesn't exactly come out of the gates running for big yardage.
The big wildcard is Andre Johnson. He didn't do much the last time we played him and I'm sure he'll remember. He can take over the game.
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