Well, we are going to get to this conversation eventually, so I figured that I may as well get it started a few weeks beforehand. At some point this season, Matt Moore is going to take over as the starter and lead this team. He was more accurate throughout the preseason and he's much more accurate with the deep ball, so I just don't see Lazor waiting too long with such a great receiving corp that's being wasted.
Today, Tannehill missed 10 foot screen passes by 3 feet, consistently misjudged timing routes over the middle and struck out twice on deep passes (although the Hartline throw was almost perfect). I'm not even concerned about the bomb though, because its being inaccurate on all the short stuff that's really killing us. This whole offense is geared towards quick throws and if Ryan can't make them accurately but maybe 1 out of 5 times, he will be shown the bench. Despite several excellent traits, there is no replacement for pin-point accuracy in the NFL and he just doesn't have it.
I think he gets a pass going into Oakland since they have big holes in pass protection, but I don't think he remains on the field much longer than that without a fantastic display in that game. I have a fairly strong feeling that we come out of the week 5 bye with Moore under center.
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vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member
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Fun sitting here watching Geno Smith make passes Ryan can't. Ridiculous
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Tannehill is the investment...Moore is not.
If he flops this year, Moore wouldn't take over the team anyway, so it doesn't make any sense to move to him just to come out with the same record, or worse. Buffalo smoked our asses...4 of the last 5 times we played them. We've won 2 in a row against New England....I can't figure it out. We had a lot of bad moments / drops last week, then even MORE this week. Can it get worse?Colorado Dolfan likes this. -
There's a bigger picture here though, and it's one the fan-base doesn't really see from the outside. This isn't just Tannehill's make or break year, but it will also decide the career of Philbin, Hickey, Lazor and several others as well. They're not going to just sit by idle this season and hope for the best, so something has to happen quickly. -
On balance I don't think we lose or gain anything by starting Moore, except we would gain on competitiveness, which was the reason I was for starting Moore this season. But, I doubt it happens. The whole gameplan is tailored for Tannehill.
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Moore is a guy that needs a decent OL, a good TE, a few decent WRs, and capable RBs. I don't see any reason why he couldn't give you a 88-90 QB rating season. We've been hoping for that from Tannehill.
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Another 10 point performance next week and I am right there with you. Let Moore earn that $5 mil.
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ok I see everyone is super emotional and illogical .... I will move on
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Matt Moore isn't going to win this team the Super Bowl. Ryan Tannehill probably isn't going to win it for this team either, so why not start the guy you are developing and have invested in to this point? Ryan Tannehill starts 16 games if healthy, and you make your decision on him going forward accordingly.
After 2 games, not looking good for #17. We might have a different opinion after 16.MAFishFan and Colorado Dolfan like this. -
He played well in this system in the pre-season. No reason they shouldn't consider it. I don't particularly remember any glaring weaknesses to Moore.
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It's been two games guys. Two ****ing games. Let's relax a little bit.
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My view is and always has been that the Dolphins could win just as many games with Moore as their QB as they can with Tannehill.
This doesn't mean I think Moore is a quality starting QB in the NFL. I think he is no better than a mediocre starting QB who is probably one of the top backup QB's in the NFL.
I just don't think Tannehill will ever be more than a mediocre QB in the NFL and therefore, Moore or Tannehill as the starter for the Dolphins will probably make no difference in the teams record at the end of the season, IMO. -
It would be nice to get to the playoffs in the first place. Potential is one thing but in year 3 I think you are starting to see who the guy really is. Worse QBs have won Superbowls.
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As for the idea that players can not improve on it, this was posted here during the week: http://www.thephins.com/forums/showthread.php?83060-B-Arians-on-QBs-in-New-Systems -
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Moore didn't have any issues in the system. It's not the system, it's a lack of pocket awareness, ball placement, and not throwing it deep. TDs are a huge indication of how good a QB is. Pennington was excellent at getting them, so was Moore, and so was Frerrote to some degree. Those guys led Miami to their best records.
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They are better off just sticking with Tannehill, if he continues to suck, well you probably get a good draft position to pick up a QB and you gave him a chance to turn it around. The problem is that will result in this staff losing its job, so from their perspective, starting Moore might be tempting at some point.
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The backup QB is always the most popular player.Everyone loves him....until he plays.Think Ray Lucas .:wink2:
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Moore might have better leadership skills, I do think he excels better in that area than Tannehill, BUT it's not enough for Moore to replace him....yet...and if we do have to go that route THEN it might be time to go into that "Throw in the towel" thread and vote Yay.
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I've said all along, the front 4 and LBers of the Bills are not a threat to our running game, Bills have killer secondary, and Lazor decided to go bonkers with the passing game, the result was 4.0 YPA and 4 sacks. He facked us up.
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