I think this is the most important thing to keep an eye on moving forward with our QB.

Remember how we have all talked about over and over the last two years about how none of us could understand how an athlete like Ryan Tannehill could look so clumsy trying to evade the pressure from the defense?

Well, I'm truly starting to believe that Mike Sherman literally told this kid you must stay in the pocket at all costs, don't think about running and just go thru your progressions.

I say that because during the first two years I heard multiple quotes by sherman that when it came to escaping the pocket I heard 'thats not the way he's gonna learn how to play qb''..I heard him say it and he had an attitude behind it when he did..

So heres what Im thinking, This dude might of just took it to heart and completely allowed his instincts to evade go into hibernation..

Theres just no way an athlete who played wide receiver at a big tie college could look so bad at doing something that takes athleticism.

This gets me excited because even though a couple folks like Rafs, Todd tried to tell me it wasn't him, I couldn't get past the thought process and how stupid it was to inhibit a dual threat qb and make him a strict pocket passer.

This gets me excited because while I'm still skeptical of ryan in this specific dept, {and I believe its a very important part of a qbs skill set}I now have an open mind to see if this element can be re-engaged and to see if Ryan does have it in him to anticipate and improv us into some playmaking ability at the position with a new coordinator who is now encouraging him to use these senses.

Ryans skill set coming out of A&M..Shermans philosophy on strict pocket passing...Ryans inability to anticipate and evade pressure the first two years.

doesn't add up, but it does add up know what I'm saying?

clean slate for me moving forward in this dept, this will be a great test that ryan has not met yet in terms of this specific qb trait, {on the road, hostile environment, great dline} I will be keeping a close eye on his ability to anticipate and evade pressure with his new teacher at his side..I will hope to see that Mike sherman was responsible for ryan putting this instinct and athleticism into dormant phase in his mind..

im excited to see if there is a whole new element to our qb.

 

no, this is different, even under duress, a player who has the proper athleticism will instinctively move better than what ryan was displaying, thats why I said the correlation of his athletic ability and what was being shown on the field was not adding up, to me of course the line was a sieve, disgusting on all count, however Im thinking that he wasn't thinking about escaping it, even in the face of that gross display of protection sherman was teaching him strict pocket responsibilities..over the past two years I was saying that ryans lack of athletic ability in that part of the game could be coming from Shermans philosophy, but I just couldn't get myself to think someone would be that stubborn, especially when you have an online that was that bad and no running game.

so what I'm saying is this, if ryan didn't have restraints on him by his college and pro coordinator, and was allowed to improv when he sensed pressure, regardless of how pathetic the line was, what we should of seen was better athletic movement by the qb, the bad movement was, I think because his mind was shut off to doing so..thats my hope.

 

so you would be giving appreciation to sherman for sacrificing his job for the development of the qb and sacrificing wins in the process.?

 

if you would of put a female bodybuilder up there I would of thrown up..

 

this is not addressing what I'm getting at.

I'm talking about why we saw a QB who unprecedentedly made a switch of positions from wide receiver to qb, then when he got to the pros, he looked like a snail in the pocket, I'm saying that I think sherman and his teachings had mosty to do with what we saw out of him athletically, because even if you have as poor of line as we did the athlete that ryan is should of made evading pressure look better, I think his instinct was neutered..and thats what it looks like..

 

there is all kinds of disfuntion on that niner team, don't trust what you see, Kap is still posting a 95 qbr alongside 35 rushing yards a game..thats damn good.

don't want this to turn into that though...Your right about ryan not being the typical escape artist, but if it was masked last year by him, and there is another level of anticipation and quickness to react, I'm stoked..

 

sunday is going to be a great test, detroit defense is good, they're in first place and ford field can get loud..hes gonna need to escape. if we see a tangible difference in his quickness to react to the pressure we will know that were on to something.

 

and FinD.

While i give credit for that, none was telling me about what I'm saying in this thread.. maybe its like ryan turned a part of his brain off, folks were just telling me its all about online, this is different..

and remember, it hasn't happened yet, but if it does, I don't chalk it up to just o-line

 

i tried to explain in the early posts of this thread, let me try to be more clear..

no matter what conditions, if you have free reign, your going to be able to see what you have from an athletic standpoint, ryans was so bad in those situations relative to what we knew about his talent, it just left us perplexed ya know?...now if sherman did what I think he did, and ryan obliged and turned that specific switch to the off position, then I see that result making sense to me..

the exciting part of all this is that it might be true..we'll see..I don't know yet, I know what to look for, I know how to identify it when I see it, so I'll wait, there were some glimpses.

my stance is not just blaming the line for what we saw in this dept, some will disagree, athleticism is athleticism, it doesn't choose when to work, but if the mind is turned off, then i can see that.

 

I don't think he needs to tell us, and I absolutely think its very important..this is about knowing what we have in terms of a ceiling.

 

yeah see I don't, I think if your told by your coordinator that you can't do something like this, you flip a switch off..this was a pretty big thing to tell your qb not to do...we didn't run read option..we didn't allow him to run..we kept him strict in the pocket and he became obsessed and it ultimately failed.

 

were losing each there here..he would of looked more decisive when? and if what happened?

 

the point I'm making is he was decisive to stay in the pocket..his mind was shut off to the alternative..once its to late panic sets in...maybe his ability to multitask was take away from him.

 

its very imortant for me to know if he was strictly enforced to not run..by seeing an extreme difference in the trait, and putting these theories together, it will tell me what I need to know without him telling us..im excited to see if the extreme happens.

 

post makes no sense.

he may of always known it to be there, but from what sherman was teaching him { things I heard come out of both their mouths} he shut that part of his game off to do what he was told, thats why we saw such futility trying to evade...just A theory.

 

thats exactly what he said..''MY QB IS GOING TO BE A POCKET PASSER FIRST AND FOREMOST''

Thats a lot of evidence.

the context of the statement is important as well, this was a response to a question asking why such an athlete like ryan doesn't seem to scramble well.