We were discussing this in another thread, it really depends on how the top 12ish picks shake out. If we could pick at maybe #6 & #11, then it might be worth trading back and climbing back up since there's a blue chip player there. But the real question is if that 2022 pick we just acquired will (a) possibly be another top-5 pick and (b) who do we like coming out next season. It's really a chess match since #11 this year could be more valuable than #5 next year...and that's beyond my pay grade to see that far in advance. Generally I'd say keep that extra pick no matter what, but if you see someone you love sitting there then I don't think it's a bad move at all.

After that early run on excellent talent though, then you have a whole lot of decent prospects...you're not seeing names that would be considered elite, day 1 starters. That doesn't mean there's not solid players to be had, it's just not a super deep draft where there's 50+ awesome, can't-miss type prospects.

 

It would take a trade down to #6, maybe #7 and getting a future first and 2021 second rounder. If I can then grab Pitts with that pick, I'll look at moving back up to around #12 using #18, a second rounder, and a fourth if needed. That's IF I can get a top WR like Smith or Waddle with that that move back up.

Then I use #36 on a RB, I might even trade a future fourth rounder to try and sneak back into the end of the first round -just to have that 5th year option and to make sure I can get one of the top three backs. Grab the best remaining DE/OLB at #50 and a developmental Center/OT in the third round.

The offense could be crazy good and the defense gets a bit of help. I'd call that a solid team to take into the 2021 season.

 

I think our draft starts with the #2 pick. If the Jets don't take a QB, well because they are the Jets, the phones will be ringing off the hook. Then things would become interesting. We could accumulate picks to move up or down.

 

I agree. It's really can't lose. If the Jets take a QB, then Sewell is available and maybe Cincy wants to move up or we have our options of the top non-QB talent in the draft. Or NJY takes Sewell and now more teams are calling. Of course the NYJ could take a QB and someone would still chomp at Fields or Lance.

At this point, I'm comfortable with whatever they decide to do. I can get behind trading back, taking Sewell or Chase. If we trade back in the top 5-10, Pitts enters into the equation for me. I know he's an extreme talent but I just have a hard time taking a TE at 3.

 

And then the Jets take Pitts ... :chuckle:

 

I think we are discussing the wrong question here.

I think that this pick almost certainly gets traded with the one caveat being that we shock the world and draft a QB ourselves.

The reality of the situation is that this is a strong QB year, and next year is a weak QB year. There are four QBs this year all worth taking.

For anyone wanting to stand pat, listen closely. Atlanta is going to draft a QB. Matt Ryan's contract is getting out of hand, and he is getting older. If things go according to plans, Fields and Lance will be there. The GM should absolutely have an opinion of which of those two QBs he'd rather have. It is his job to find the best QB available. If ATL could give up a second or third to move up, and get their guy, it would absolutely be worth it. If the Jets got crazy and picked Fields or Lance or anyone other than Wilson, I think we would then be asking ATL for an additional first to move up one stop would actually be a reasonable price for ONE spot. It is not about the how many spots ATL is moving, it is about the player, and I think Wilson is going to be a star. In this scenario, we could still essentially draft whomever we wanted at 3. So for all the "don't trade" people, this is the trade.

Okay, for all the people willing to move and get more picks, we gotta stop thinking the best deal is the deal that gets us the most picks. That could be the worst move we could make. If a team is trading up with us, it is for a QB. It won't be Cincy. No chance they are paying a QB price for a LT especially with the fact that it is a virtual certainty that they could at least have Rashawn Slater - if not Penei Sewell.

If a team jumps us to take a QB, the first four picks of the draft almost certainly will all be QB.

We now need to think about who we trade with - not the amount of picks. If we trade with Philly two of these three players will likely still be available - Sewell, Pitts, or Chase. If we trade with Detroit, at least one will be available. The further down the board we go, the less likely these generational player along with Chase will be available.

I'll tell you what. To me, picking up an extra third to move back further, does NOT feel like we are getting more for the trade - but LESS. I would look at Detroit and Philly as teams that I would really want to swing the deal with.

 

It's obvious we worked out both deals simultaneously. I was hearing that we were actually approached about 3 by Philly, but they couldn't beat the SF package and opted to trade down. They could potentially have 3 first rounders next year to target their guy if Hurts doesn't pan out.

As for us, it's clear that Grier read the board, didn't see the positional value to stay at 3, but DOES have 1-2 guys he is very confident about and wants. Imo it's Pitts and Chase.

Draft goes:
Lawrence
Wilson
Fields
Lance
Sewell
Pitts/Chase

 

I don't see Sewell getting past Bengals.
I want Pitts but will settle for Chase.

 

you pretty much called it!

 

I wanted Sewell and I think we're going to regret passing up a chance to get him.

 

It is entirely possible that they take Pitts or Sewell...just because it's such a Jets thing to do. Darnold would benefit though if they're standing firm, but that pick would have incredible value as well. So I don't see how they possibly draft Pitts or Sewell, which is why it's so darn likely to happen. LOL

 

TBH the most Jestian thing for them to do would be to stick with that bum Darnold. There is maybe like .01% chance the pick isn't Zack Wilson.

We haven't seen Etienne/Harris pro days yet. If these dudes clock fast 40s, I don't see them lasting to 36. Parsons at 6 ... bleh. Just way to high for a LB.

 

Yeah, the possibility of them doing something that stupid worries me. I do not trust them not to screw up the first round. I think they already did by not holding onto the third pick until draft day.

 

On the contrary, Grier has shown a high ability to navigate the first round here lately. From refusing to trade with Detroit for Tua calling their bluff, to correctly assessing the positional value in the top 3 didn't match our needs and fleecing San Fran, while again moving back into position to still take either the top WR or the freak athlete ...

Complaining about these trades is just nonsensical. I get that you like Sewell, but we drafted two tackles in rounds 1-2 last year. Time for them to prove it. Meanwhile, get a stud pass catcher to pair with Fuller and Parker.

 

IMO we need a center too. We cannot rely on the yips dude to right the ship. Great if he does, but we can't sacrifice games waiting for that. Creed Humphrey should be a prime target.

 

Well, that's the thing. We drafted two tackles last year who were regarded by many to be reaches at where they were picked. They haven't really shown they were worth where they were picked, at least not IMHO.

 

Everyone knew Jackson would be more of a project. So patience has to be shown.

 

Yeah, that's the thing. He IS a project and we SHOULDN'T have taken him there.

 

Whether or not you agree with where they were selected, they were. They both have immense talent and high ceilings. Grier and Flores are apparently pretty confident that they were worth the spot or he likely would have stayed at 3 and taken Sewell. I doubt he would really have been criticized for it. Instead, we picked up an extra first and third rounder and will still get a guy we probably have been lasering in on.

 

Well time will tell on that one but if you are going to do that and you have no offseason/preseason you probably shouldn't be in any kind on panic about it. This is the type of result they probably should have been expecting.

 

According to who? The people who drafted them?

 

It's the result I WAS expecting. Which was why I thought it was a mistake.

 

Oh come on now, neither were considered late rounders.

 

Jackson will be 22 when the season starts.

 

No, but neither was considered to be taken as high as we took them. And it's one thing to take a project when you have an established vet at that position who has the job secured. It's another to take a project who's going to have to start.