Tua is not the Problem

"plc001 wrote:

Herbert, 39
Burrow, 34

EDIT: Not sure how reliable this is. Just a quick google. Same site had Tua with a 13, so its at least corroborating that data.

2018 Wonderlic. Stay with us.

"OwesOwn614 wrote:

Unless you can find Herbert and Burrow's 2018 Wonderlich, you're just flailing for reasons to diss somebody at this point. And if not grinding on your off days means you have a sad work ethic, I'd bet money you belong in the same category. You're trying too hard and it's kind of sad.

What do Herbert and burrow have to do with this? You specifically mentiomed Tua and him not being a dimwit. I posted something to the contrary, that leads to him actually being a dimwit. Try to stay on subject here.

"OwesOwn614 wrote:

2018 Wonderlic. Stay with us.

Ok, let's say that Tua Einstein scored a whopping 19 in 2018. Burrows and Herbert's scores were still way better than his. Maybe that's why their QB skills are far superior to tuas

Herbert majored in Biology.

"OwesOwn614 wrote:

Unless you can find Herbert and Burrow's 2018 Wonderlich, you're just flailing for reasons to diss somebody at this point. And if not grinding on your off days means you have a sad work ethic, I'd bet money you belong in the same category. You're trying too hard and it's kind of sad.

Who. Cares.

Wonderlic is garbage.

"KeyFin wrote:

People somehow forget that Tua was rehabbing his rookie year and not actively practicing with the team. He had no mini camp and he had no preseason. Those are HUGE factors for any rookie, much less a QB.

Plain and simple, Tus started too early. He didn't do well and under the circumstances, that's not a surprise. In year two, he did very well with the state of the offense. He hasn't "proven" himself either way yet, but to me he's trending in the right direction. Year three will tell us quite a bit about his trajectory...but it will also tell us quite a bit about this team in general.

If it's a down year in 2022 then I think we're getting pretty darn close to rebuild mode, which will set the franchise back another 3-5 years. My worry is more on receivers, linemen, and running backs at this point.

It's not that people forget he was recovering.

It's that REGARDLESS some of have never seen, in college or otherwise, a skillset and a QB who has elite potential.

"KeyFin wrote:

to me he's trending in the right direction..

Really, Key? You did see his last couple of games to end the year, correct?

"Sceeto wrote:

Really, Key? You did see his last couple of games to end the year, correct?

Yes, I did....against the Pats and the Titans as they competed for top seeds in the playoffs.

Year 2 Tua was clearly better than year 1 Tua. More anticipation, better accuracy, better movement in the pocket. It's not a shocker that our biggest rival and a top AFC team figured out that we throw short to Waddle 25+ times a game. Tua played below average but it was not all on Tua (and certainly not on Waddle).

I'll also point out that Tua doubled Tannehill for yards, attempts, etc. because we had no other choice...the Titans played a better game.

"OwesOwn614 wrote:

2018 Wonderlic. Stay with us.

Sorry, I only scored a 13 on the wonderlic....

"KeyFin wrote:

It's not a shocker that our biggest rival and a top AFC team figured out that we throw short to Waddle 25+ times a game. Tua played below average

Yeah and I am certain the rest of the league have figured that out as well as I said they would. He's going to have to get a lot more in his limited arsenal if he is going to have any success at all.

"canesz06 wrote:

Ok, let's say that Tua Einstein scored a whopping 19 in 2018. Burrows and Herbert's scores were still way better than his. Maybe that's why their QB skills are far superior to tuas

Guess that explains why Marino was so bad

"Fireland wrote:

Guess that explains why Marino was so bad

I was being facetious. Their scores have no correlation to how superior their skills are to tuas. But the guy did score a 13. He's clearly not very smart. Maybe Marino is as dumb as a box of hair but who cares. He could throw a football arguably better than anyone. Tua is a bad QB and not very bright. We sure picked a good one

"Sceeto wrote:

Yeah and I am certain the rest of the league have figured that out as well as I said they would. He's going to have to get a lot more in his limited arsenal if he is going to have any success at all.

I absolutely agree- he has to improve and the team around him has to improve as well.

"canesz06 wrote:

What do Herbert and burrow have to do with this? You specifically mentiomed Tua and him not being a dimwit. I posted something to the contrary, that leads to him actually being a dimwit. Try to stay on subject here.

LOL. Most underclassmen probably score low on the test. Dan Marino (as mentioned before) scored low after he graduated. Personally, I wondered if the two QBs who are allegedly heads and shoulders above Tua had sky high Wonderlic exams three years before they were drafted. Should have figured your obsession and interest in dimwits was only toward #1 guy.

"resnor wrote:

Who. Cares.

Wonderlic is garbage.

You know that.

I know that.

But don't spoil the fun for everybody.

"Fireland wrote:

Guess that explains why Marino was so bad

That guy sucked. Ray Finkle had a higher Wonderlic than Dan Marino.

"Fireland wrote:

Guess that explains why Marino was so bad

Marino was great because of his natural physical talent and and instincts, not his smarts. In terms of Xs and Os, Marino was never great, that was one of his weaknesses. His physical gifts made up for his lack of smarts.

Tua on the other hand has neither the natural physical talent Marino had, nor the smarts to compensate for his lack of talent.

"OwesOwn614 wrote:

That guy sucked. Ray Finkle had a higher Wonderlic than Dan Marino.

If you have Marino level talent, then the wonderlick doesn't matter much. However, if you don't have Marino's natural talent (and Tua certainly does not) then the wonderlick does matter.

"OwesOwn614 wrote:

LOL. Most underclassmen probably score low on the test. Dan Marino (as mentioned before) scored low after he graduated. Personally, I wondered if the two QBs who are allegedly heads and shoulders above Tua had sky high Wonderlic exams three years before they were drafted. Should have figured your obsession and interest in dimwits was only toward #1 guy.

Someone posted their scores a few posts up. They were in the mid/upper 30s. So not only are they FAR superior to him talent wise, they are MUCH more intelligent then him as well. Looks like we drafted a no talent dolt

"canesz06 wrote:

Someone posted their scores a few posts up. They were in the mid/upper 30s. So not only are they FAR superior to him talent wise, they are MUCH more intelligent then him as well. Looks like we drafted a no talent dolt

Dan Marino was a talented dolt?

"hitman8 wrote:

If you have Marino level talent, then the wonderlick doesn't matter much. However, if you don't have Marino's natural talent (and Tua certainly does not) then the wonderlick does matter.

If you believe that, you probably wouldn't score well on the Wonderlic.

"OwesOwn614 wrote:

Dan Marino was a talented dolt?

Apparently

"OwesOwn614 wrote:

Dan Marino was a talented dolt?

Yes, Marino was like an idiot savant. He got it done with his extreme natural talent and competitiveness, not his smarts.

"plc001 wrote:

Herbert, 39
Burrow, 34

EDIT: Not sure how reliable this is. Just a quick google. Same site had Tua with a 13, so its at least corroborating that data.

Steve Young: 33
Drew Brees: 28

Not quite sure if it really says something, but interesting nevertheless…

"hitman8 wrote:

Yes, Marino was like an idiot savant. He got it done with his extreme natural talent and competitiveness, not his smarts.

He was football smart though fake spike and other plays show that but I definitely wouldn’t call Marino a genius…