Yes bro, but we didn't help him with our lack of pressure on the opposing QB this year. We had no veteran leader at corner with Allen out. He will be better for it next year. We also didn't have the best safety help back there as well.:wink2:

 

Would a lack of safety help over the top here constitue a "burn". Even still, we know he got burned a lot, but he also showed great upside by tracking the ball well while in the air, getting position on WRs to INT the ball, great leaping ability and body control, and above all, great closing speed.

With his attitude, and constant willingness to get better and evaluate tape, I think we have a future star here.

V.Davis at the end of the day was in fact a rookie, but I don't think we have anything to worry about.

 

now he'll just have to get better or lose the start
doesn't surprise me w/ a new almost completely
rookie defensive backfield being fielded
& using two SS's (our only veterans) think about it

I'm sure things will improve considerably next year
w/ a year of playing in the NFL under their belt
& a Stud ILB & second starting-calibre NT to add to the mix
that should help support their effort. it's like love & marriage
the front seven & the defensive backfield go together

 

From the USA Today team report that I posted.

The pass coverage, ranked 29th in yards per pass play, was porous although Miami was ranked first in sacks per pass play. While strong safety Yeremiah Bell provided outstanding run support and had a career-high four picks, his weakness was exposed in the middle of the field as opposing tight ends torched him and Miami's inside linebackers all season.

 

I can't agree with you on pressure.The phins in 2009 are 3rd in the nfl with 44 sacks.
I will agree the safety help over top was beyond horrible.I think we our last in the league at ypc this year.The thing that worries me about davis is i did not see much improvement from the first game he started to the last game.
He is a rookie so hopefully he makes a jump in production next year but if he plays like this year we are in big trouble.

 

I saw that...the stat is misleading, I think he is better than those stats, they threw at him all the time. Well a little experience next year, maybe they throw at him more and he gets more int's.....he had a better year, and has more upside than Smith...

 

I respect your opinion, and your post bro. We need more speed to get to the opposing QB, and other then Wake we don't have that without blitzing. If this team management is going to take the next step forward they must get someone in here to do that. I appreciate the stats. However I lost count this year how many times the opposing Qb's had all day to look over the field.:wink2:

 

Just because we were 3rd in the NFL in sacks doesn't mean we applied constant pressure. What happened on all the downs where we did not get a sack? How much time did we give the QB to throw?

I'll try and find some stats on 'QB Pressures', which would be the telling stat, not Sacks.

 

Last I checked we were top 10 in hurries as well.

I think people have the impression that other teams never let QBs have all day to throw. But the fact is it happens to every team. Miami among the top 10 in getting consistent pressure on the QB.

 

i am not worried about Vontae ...

i can't say anything to refute the stats ... but i will still take Davis every day of the week over Smith. he will be better next season ....

Smith did do a decent job at covering the sideline - not a wonder with his size ... but was absolutely horrendous at anything in space or releasing back across the middle (which was how teams decided to attack him).

 

It seemed to me if we did not get a sack it was a completion.I am not saying our pass rush was the best but 44 sacks show you we our not the worst either.I don't remember all year getting a coverage sack from this team.
Davis,smith,wilson,clemons,bell better cover better next year or we are going to have same season as this year.Not to mention we need some ilbs that can cover the damm te.Man that was killing me watching every te toast us every game.
I do know we need some olbs to rush the passer next year since porter and taylor have left thier better days behind them.

 

IMO it's fairer to say that Davis was the worst coverage CB in the AFCE. He was actually very good in run support.

I still believe that Smith is and will be the better CB, but both wil be good.

 

Davis will get better. I really appreciate his hitting. I think Davis will be the better overall corner.:wink2:

 

He also led the team in INTs, which seems to fit him about right.

 

Funny how the stats can be different
ProFootballFocus has Smith at 38 receptions on 67 targets
for 56.7 %

They even have Davis as 48 receptions on 76 targets
for 63.2%

I wonder which one is correct PFF or espn??

http://www.profootballfocus.com/by_...e=r&runpass=&teamid=-1&numsnaps=25&numgames=1

 

This is one reason I would like someone like Taylor Mays over Berry. A safety needs to have enough size as well as speed to cover the better pass catching TEs.

I looked up the stats on all NFL ILBs and almost all of them are very poor in coverage.

We need our Safeties to be about to cover TEs and our CBs to cover the WRs.

I'm still of the very strong opinion that we need three younger and better Linebackers and a NT if Fergie does not return(and even if he does).

I'd let our very young WRs and DBs grow a bit before we add anyone to their number.

 

Off season will bring another new face to fight for that starting spot. Davis will be better or be watching from the sideline. He has the talent to improve and now he has a year in the big league under his belt. 60% is not good enough, id bet money that he is'nt happy with those numbers either.

 

I'd love to see the average yards per catch against each corner in the AFC East as well, to see who gives up more big plays (although that hs a lot to do with safety-performance too).

Vontae makes big plays, which often colors our perception of him as 'amazing' even as he gives up a ton of plays too.

YOu win with consistency AND big plays, not being inconsistent but making big play like Vontae did this year.

He was a rookie, and hopefully that improves, but he has always had a rep of inconsistent focus and mental lapses.

 

What constitutes being targeted. Just because you line up over a receiver doesn't mean you are responsible for the area in which he catches the ball.

 

if you do god bless you. i have been looking for those stats on pressures and cant find them anywhere :up:

 

I think PFF is the best bet for that sort of information, though lamentably it's not as sortable across all positions and teams as you'd like. Best that could be done is to go to each individual team and sort their defense by pressures.

 

Quite a few people complain regarding to the Pressure we got on opposing QBs this season SO HERE GOES

Dolphins...126 QB pressures
Jets..........124 QB pressures
Patriots.....117 QB pressures
Buffalo......93 QB pressures
Dallas......164 QB pressures led the NFL

QB hits
Pats.........55
Buffalo.....52
Jets.........48
Miami......46
Dallas......78 led the nfl

 

I actually think he did good for his first year,I have a feeling he only going to get better

 

There are 61 cornerbacks in the AFC East?? That's just over 15 corners per team. It really is a passing league!

Still, rookie corners just go through a trial by fire, especially when your safeties aren't giving you the best of help.

 

If Will Allen comes back strong from his injury, who starts at corner? Does Davis go back to the bench?

 

Bro, that was a great post, and observation. Thanks for the run down.

 

And how many people did we have to bring in order to get that pressure? There were times we brought 6-7-8 players on a blitz, got pressure on the QB but were burned.

Also how many of those times did we hit the QB after he stepped into his throw, a step and a half too late. Stats can be misleading.

 

Brother,

That post from the USA was GREAT! Thank you so much for posting it.

 

http://www.profootballfocus.com/by_...e=r&runpass=&teamid=-1&numsnaps=25&numgames=1

Ask and Ye shall receive. lol

This is a GREAT SITE for all stats.

 

I also remember games where the downfield coverage was very good and the QB just hung out in the pocket for a while until our D finally got some "pressure." Still the QBs were usually able to make a play.

 

I'm sure it is either 61st in the NFL or AFC, and it just happens to be he is the lowest ranked CB in the AFCE.

 

a saving grace for vontae was rather solid play making ability. he is a play maker, with big picks, circus picks, a pick 6, picks in the endzone to kill scoring drives. and he brings serious lumber. his coverage will get better, he'll get smarter, but we're always gonna have guys giving up plays.

 

http://www.profootballfocus.com/by_...e=r&runpass=&teamid=-1&numsnaps=60&numgames=1

I believe this is a fair run down on our rookie CB's.

It grades players on their TOTAL performance.

Opinions?

 

No, we move Will Allen to free safety.

 

I think 21 is too high for Davis. 23 for Smith is closer to right, but I still think might be a little high.

 

a little more pass rush and a whole lot less man coverage.

 

I'm glad you were the original poster Padre because I think you know I mean no offense with the latest comment. These statistics really do not matter to a hill of beans. The number one reason is that the Dolphins were not playing the coverages that this team wants to play.

Just recently I have started going back to watch our season. I've watched the first half versus the Falcons five times already. This team wanted to play coverages with two and three deep. We know that this team was reduced to one deep. Through this game review, I'm discovering the reasons why.

Do you recall Roddy White spinning Sean Smith in a 360 during a three deep coverage? It's there on the tape. By the end of the second quarter Sean Smith was replaced by Vontae Davis.

For 1/3 of the first half Yeremiah Bell was playing free safety. Gibril Wilson was playing strong safety of 1/3 of the first half. The dime package consisted of Bell on the bench and Culver at free safety.


By the time Vontae Davis took over for an injured Will Allne our coverage were reduced dramatically. They were not using the two and three deep coverage the Dolphins want to be in going forward after this season. They were in the easiest coverages that allow for dumb cornerbacks. With Will Allen returning, I don't expect to see that any longer. These dumb corners will either get smart enough to play zone or they will be gone. The man coverage statistics for this year do not address that fact.





For what it's worth, I'm attempting to get the first three games reviewed. I want to see the demise of this secondary. I want to see when they gave up on the entire family of cover 2 coverages and I want to see which players hold the most culpability. It's easy to say "he sucks and he sucks" from recollection. I'm not trying to participate in that.