Who can be good replacement for Philbin as Head Coach?

"Bpk wrote:

Morgan Freeman. He's good in everything.

Idris Elba all the way.

Well since Chucky built a team in Oakland got traded to the bucs turns them around and beats his old team in the Superbowl. I would think yes he has and can build more than one Superbowl team...

"lohink wrote:

Well since Chucky built a team in Oakland got traded to the bucs turns them around and beats his old team in the Superbowl. I would think yes he has and can build more than one Superbowl team...

He turned the Bucs around? He took a team handed to him and won and the team went downhill the longer he was there.

At this rate I'd take Dwayne Johnson.

"Disgustipate wrote:

I think you've got to take issues coming out of Washington with a grain of salt.

I am very suspicious that the "Redskins sources" are Daniel Snyder and his people, and that the leaks are part of the dysfunction that's been going on there for a long time and has continued under Gruden.

The issues I heard about came before there was any kind of schism between the owner and Shanahan, I believe.

I would like to give Sean Payton a look. With the weapons and hopefully a better line next season I bet he could open up things on the offense real well. And get a good defensive coordinator.

Our new coach should be someone who can adapt to his players and not be a guy with a scheme.

I want a coach that it doesn't matter what offense type we use or what defense type we use.

**** schemes. **** west coast offense. **** 4-3 or 3-4. I want a guy that can look at our players strengths and play to that.

These guys are rare. Very rare. Shula was the ultimate. Belichick is like that except he's a cheating dirt bag so I'm not sure its fair to count him. Pete Carroll is like that.

There is one other guy like that, and its Gus Malzhan.

Kevin Sumlin:up:
We could sign Case Keenum to back up Tannehill....I know he didn't coach Tannehill, but still...I think Sumlin could coach in the NFL.

I prefer a head coach who has experience in the NFL as a OC, DC, or a former head coach.
I see no one at the college level who I think would be a good NFL head coach. Malzahn was a hot name a few years ago, but defensive teams in college have figured out his offensive schemes and he will be lucky to keep his job at Auburn if the Tigers don't turn it around pretty soon.
Auburn was selected before the season to be a favorite to win the SEC and right now they will be fortunate to not finish last in the SEC West.
If college defensive coordinators can figure ways to shut down Malzahns offense. NFL defensive coordinators would have no problem coming up with schemes to make his offense impotent at that level.

John Fox circa january 2015
we screwed the pooch there
we will get no one good next year
we will suck again

The stuff I had heard about Kyle Shanahan dated back to his unseemly spat with Donovan McNabb going way back before there was a hint of trouble between the Shanahans and the Redskins organization or owner. As for the stuff that came out after the split, let's keep in mind the primary conduit through which that all came was Jason La Canfora, whom Dan Snyder hates like poison. Snyder used to have entire meetings dedicated to what they were going to do about JLC. I am not sure that they would use JLC as a mouthpiece for their point of view on Kyle Shanahan. It's possible, but doesn't seem likely, and it also seems unlikely JLC would participate in that as I'm positive there are hard feelings on both sides there.

This is what JLC wrote about Kyle:

Conversations with several people within the organization have revealed a similar perception of Kyle Shanahan as someone who was empowered and enabled by his father, spending an abundance of time in his father’s office, given a wide swath of power, and rubbing many people — players, fellow coaches and members of football operations — the wrong way. At the same time, Kyle Shanahan has been the most heavily rewarded of the team’s assistant coaches, as team sources said the two-year extension Shanahan earned following the playoff run in 2012 will pay him $1.5M in 2014 alone. That’s money he’s almost certain to collect away from the team, with this regime widely expected to be fired after this season.

With the team in a 3-10 collapse, Robert Griffin III now inactive and the franchise in disarray, the composition of this staff has fallen under criticism, as has the work of the Shanahans in particular, with the lack of experience and pedigree on the offensive side of the ball seen as a particular problem both within the organization and outside it. “Kyle is the head coach, it’s just that no one knows he is,” said one member of the organization. “He gets whatever he wants. And he has no relationship at all with (quarterback Robert Griffin II). So how could it work?”

As a former member of the organization put it: “Kyle *****es about everything, and then his father has to fix it. He *****es about the food in the cafeteria, he *****es about the field, he *****es about the equipment. He complains and then Mike takes care of it. Kyle is a big problem there. He is not well liked.”

There has also been a controversy surrounding his hiring practices in Washington. In Washington, Kyle Shanahan hired Matt LeFleur as QB Coach and Mike McDaniel as WR Coach. McDaniel and LaFleur came with Shanahan from Houston where they were quality control coaches. They were under-qualified for the positions they held and when Shanahan left Washington he asked that they be hired by the Browns under him. The Browns relented on McDaniel but they wanted Dowell Loggains for the QB Coach job as he was more qualified. LaFleur left for Notre Dame as QB Coach. I guess since Shanahan couldn't get Matt LaFleur he decided he'd hire his little brother Mike LaFleur to be a coaching intern.

All of these guys are Kyle's age (early to mid 30's), and all of them are relatively inexperienced relative to their hired positions, and this has led to constant accusations that Kyle essentially hires his friends. Indeed when Kyle Shanahan brought in a 32-point presentation to Head Coach Mike Pettine on why he should be let out of his Cleveland contract, that day the Browns informed Mike McDaniel he was not to be allowed in the building until they decide his fate. They let he and Mike LaFleur go, and now all three of the brat pack have been re-united in Atlanta with Kyle. Mike LaFleur and Mike McDaniel are "offensive assistants" while Matt LaFleur is QB Coach.

My argument here would admittedly lay out on a "where there's smoke, there's fire" basis. But that's usually the very best any of us can do when it comes to assistant coaches. You have a guy that:

1. Hires under-qualified people for important positions that are suspiciously his own (very young) age and all act like hangout buddies
2. Was accused of childish behavior in Washington with respect to McNabb even before any hint of schism between Snyder and the Shanahans
3. Was accused of very childish behavior post-schism by a media member who is considered an arch enemy of Shanahan's enemies
4. Hired on with the Browns knowing full well what kind of volatile situation there was (owner fired Chud after one year, weirdness with GM situation, etc)
5. Decided one short year later he was going to ambush his coach with a 32-point "Why I Quit" presentation

I'm positive he has things going for him. But all of that paints a grizzly picture for a 35 year old that is himself arguably under-experienced to hold the big whistle.

"77FinFan wrote:

He turned the Bucs around? He took a team handed to him and won and the team went downhill the longer he was there.

Exactly right. Being handed a talented team and winning a championship with it is two different things.

I am not sure who the new coach should be, but everyone from the coaching staff to the gm should be gone. Start from scratch. No usual suspects like gruden etc. We need fresh blood, maybe an up and coming college coach? New owner would be nice to.

"77FinFan wrote:

He turned the Bucs around? He took a team handed to him and won and the team went downhill the longer he was there.

Well they were 10-6 and 9-7 with Black Philbin in charge Chucky shows up and they go 12-4 and win the superbowl. If that isn't turning a team around I don't know what is? They were entering cap hell in the years after that. This team has talent. It just isn't being utilized.

Need a hard ass coach. Someone that will make this team physical, instill discipline and demand respect.

"ckparrothead wrote:

The stuff I had heard about Kyle Shanahan dated back to his unseemly spat with Donovan McNabb going way back before there was a hint of trouble between the Shanahans and the Redskins organization or owner. As for the stuff that came out after the split, let's keep in mind the primary conduit through which that all came was Jason La Canfora, whom Dan Snyder hates like poison. Snyder used to have entire meetings dedicated to what they were going to do about JLC. I am not sure that they would use JLC as a mouthpiece for their point of view on Kyle Shanahan. It's possible, but doesn't seem likely, and it also seems unlikely JLC would participate in that as I'm positive there are hard feelings on both sides there.

This is what JLC wrote about Kyle:

There has also been a controversy surrounding his hiring practices in Washington. In Washington, Kyle Shanahan hired Matt LeFleur as QB Coach and Mike McDaniel as WR Coach. McDaniel and LaFleur came with Shanahan from Houston where they were quality control coaches. They were under-qualified for the positions they held and when Shanahan left Washington he asked that they be hired by the Browns under him. The Browns relented on McDaniel but they wanted Dowell Loggains for the QB Coach job as he was more qualified. LaFleur left for Notre Dame as QB Coach. I guess since Shanahan couldn't get Matt LaFleur he decided he'd hire his little brother Mike LaFleur to be a coaching intern.

All of these guys are Kyle's age (early to mid 30's), and all of them are relatively inexperienced relative to their hired positions, and this has led to constant accusations that Kyle essentially hires his friends. Indeed when Kyle Shanahan brought in a 32-point presentation to Head Coach Mike Pettine on why he should be let out of his Cleveland contract, that day the Browns informed Mike McDaniel he was not to be allowed in the building until they decide his fate. They let he and Mike LaFleur go, and now all three of the brat pack have been re-united in Atlanta with Kyle. Mike LaFleur and Mike McDaniel are "offensive assistants" while Matt LaFleur is QB Coach.

My argument here would admittedly lay out on a "where there's smoke, there's fire" basis. But that's usually the very best any of us can do when it comes to assistant coaches. You have a guy that:

1. Hires under-qualified people for important positions that are suspiciously his own (very young) age and all act like hangout buddies
2. Was accused of childish behavior in Washington with respect to McNabb even before any hint of schism between Snyder and the Shanahans
3. Was accused of very childish behavior post-schism by a media member who is considered an arch enemy of Shanahan's enemies
4. Hired on with the Browns knowing full well what kind of volatile situation there was (owner fired Chud after one year, weirdness with GM situation, etc)
5. Decided one short year later he was going to ambush his coach with a 32-point "Why I Quit" presentation

I'm positive he has things going for him. But all of that paints a grizzly picture for a 35 year old that is himself arguably under-experienced to hold the big whistle.

The La Canfora thing I didn't realize, but I'm still of the belief that there is some hostile anti-Shanahan source that was getting a lot of airtime in the media. La Canfora also got a bit of heat for changing his mind and being complimentary of Shanahan with the Browns.

The nepotism is really the most concerning thing to me- especially in light of the Joe Philbin experience in Miami.

There are mitigating circumstances in that Kyle Shanahan runs a system in a very strict sense- There is a teaching method and a way of doing things that is going to result in the valuation of guys who know and buy into it over other qualified coaches. I'm not sure we're in a position to properly judge how much the LaFleurs and McDaniel are detrimental or beneficial, and I suppose you're sort of in the same boat with them as you are Zac Taylor.

I think you can also argue that Shanahan has been "right" in a lot of conflicts- Donovan McNabb, RGIII, the Redskins and Browns are dysfunctional franchises.

I'll take Sean Payton thank you.

<-------- Or Coach Taylor.

"caliphinfan wrote:

I am not sure who the new coach should be, but everyone from the coaching staff to the gm should be gone. Start from scratch. No usual suspects like gruden etc. We need fresh blood, maybe an up and coming college coach? New owner would be nice to.

Not sure I agree, I think we do need someone who has a proven track record, we've been starting from scratch since Wanny, he's the last HC we hired who was previously a HC.

Well I am not sure I want to replace the GM and what not, but whomever the new coach is must be not only willing to work with Hickeybaum, but happy to do so.
Does anyone have any thoughts to Scott Linehan?

Now if Sean Payton comes available we should go full on for him. And if he wants his own GM, I am sure they can/will sacrifice Mr Hickey.

"RGF wrote:

Still say Cowher. I bet hes itching to get back in. Or, Gruden, he would make Tannehill a lot better.

You would have to pay him BIG $$$ well not you but Ross, but Gruden would be sweet. I don't think he's going to coach again though.

Wild cards...
Dick LeBeau
Scott Linehan
Brian Schottenheimer
Wade Phillips
Jim Mora

I would root for Mora the hardest off that list, Wade Phillips would make our D invincible quickly, Linehans offense is really good.

Any one of them should be able to get the players attention at least.

Well I know I don't want some college hype coach. I prefer experience. A proven track record.

Gruden, as much as I'd like him... he's off the table anyway. He signed a contract with ESPN to call games through the 2016 season.

Dan Quinn should have been ours but Stephen Loss decided to run with Queasy and let Atlanta get him (now they are 3-0)

To be honest there are slim pickings out there right now. I guess the best option is to attempt to poach Jim Harbaugh from Michigan.

Anybody else would be a crap shoot.

Philbin was a shocking choice as a head coach. He has no passion whatsoever and this game is built on passion. (I did tell you all this after watching that pre-season thing the the Dolphins and Philbin was on). I'm starting to be thankful I failed to get tickets for the game here in London. Trounced by The Bills and The Jags. Good God could it get any worse?????

I don't get this Sean Payton love.

He's 0-3 and that team has been downward spiraling for awhile. Not too mention no coach has ever won a SB as HC after winning it as a HC of another team prior.

Wayne Fontes.