Why isn't Kevin Coyle's ass on fire?
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Dorfdadforum_veteranOPIm still upset that Ross hasn't made any moves. Yeah I know level heads and all, but the longer this goes the more likely Ross is to not make any moves, but with all the recent articles out there about coaches and coordinators on the hot seat why the hell is Kevin Coyle getting a free pass?
This defense sucks, Yes we all focus on the offense but again this defense continues to struggle in when it matters, giving up rushing yards like their free, constantly give up third and long's I think this year was the worst statistically I may be wrong but I remember tossing my remote way more this year on third down defensive schemes. I am longing for Jim Bates defense even which was always pretty good.
I think Coach Philbin gets another year I do, but Ross has to make some major changes both the offense and defense coordinators and that horrible OL coach need to be sacrificed for the fans NOW!
If Mr. Ross thinks turn out is bad now, you can forget next year with Ireland, Sherman, and Coyle still on this team well.....he better think hard.
Looking at next years opponents I dont see how we can possible improve on 8-8 so lets just clean house now and try again with some new creative minds..
Im actually more disappointed in how the defense played then the offense played this year.Phil Simms even said this should be a top 5 defense.
Alex13subscriberand this needed a new thread why ?
P h i N s A N i T yNew Member"Alex13 wrote:
and this needed a new thread why ?
like the .... " here's another chart, thought it deserved a new thread because I'm posting it "
Dorfdadforum_veteranAll the other threads were about the other coordinators, I haven't seem anything about Coyle hence the new thread.. If mods want to move this to a proper location than Im ok with it.
Rick 1966forum_veteran"Alex13 wrote:
and this needed a new thread why ?
Why not?
Clark Kentforum_veteran"smhemi wrote:
Im actually more disappointed in how the defense played then the offense played this year.Phil Simms even said this should be a top 5 defense.
Really? With the trio of Misi, Ellerbe, and Wheeler, we should have a top 5 defense? Those three alone bring down this defense tremendously. Even worse, they're going to bring this defense down for the next few years too. Not to mention outside of Grimes, our secondary is serviceable. I don't think we belong anywhere near the top 5 with the talent we have.
Phil Sims says... OK.
NaboCaneNew MemberThere's a time for level heads, and there's a time for leveling heads. We're at least three years past the "level head" thing.
"Rick 1966 wrote:
Why not?
Seriously; only the top half of the first page is moving at all. It's not like there's a dearth of space for threads.
GreysonWinfieldNew MemberI like you used the word "dearth". It's like death, the slow 17 week death the Phins put us thru this year.
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"Clark Kent wrote:
Really? With the trio of Misi, Ellerbe, and Wheeler, we should have a top 5 defense? Those three along bring us tremendously. Even worse, they're going to bring this defense down for the next few years too. Not to mention outside of Grimes, our secondary is serviceable. I don't think we belong anywhere near the top 5 with the talent we have.
Phil Sims says... OK.
Well before the season started I had high expectations for the defense.Getting Grimes,Reshard Jones coming off a good year,and I thought the DLINE would be dominant I just didnt expect the LBs to be so bad.The defense definitely underachieved.
byroanadminOur defense was capable of making a playoff run. Our low scoring offense was not. That's why the focus is on them.
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Coyle wasn't the problem last season. Defense could have been handled better, I guess. But for the most part it was very good to great, especially when you take into account how bad Ellerbe and Wheeler were.
"Anonymous wrote:
Coyle wasn't the problem last season. Defense could have been handled better, I guess. But for the most part it was very good to great, especially when you take into account how bad Ellerbe and Wheeler were.
I disagree a very good to great defense doesnt give up 2000 yards rushing.
"smhemi wrote:
I disagree a very good to great defense doesnt give up 2000 yards rushing.
Our run defense ranked 18th overall. Our pass defense ranked 5th. Overall, we ranked 8th in PPG. What would you call that?
I'm glad someone finally posted this thread. I couldn't agree more with kicking Coyle to the curb. The defense absolutely has talent to be an elite defense. This defense has progressively worsened since Coyle took over. I have a hard time believing we couldn't be more stout against the run.
I just don't see how Philbin fires BOTH Sherman & Coyle. Has there ever been a HC that has replaced both his coordinators in 1 offseason? Ross really should clean house although it admits failure.
RevRicksubscriber"Anonymous wrote:
Our run defense ranked 18th overall. Our pass defense ranked 5th. Overall, we ranked 8th in PPG. What would you call that?
Not good enough! Poor Run Defense will kill a team's season!
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"RevRick wrote:
Not good enough! Poor Run Defense will kill a team's season!
It didn't kill the Chiefs season. Or the Saints, Patriots, Packers, Colts and Chargers.
Call me crazy then I dont think the defense was all that good this year. Dont care what the stats say.Gave up way to many big plays. How did they look against Buffalo those 2 games . They blew the Carolina game too.Im not a fan of bend but dont break defense.
"smhemi wrote:
Call me crazy then I dont think the defense was all that good this year. Dont care what the stats say.Gave up way to many big plays. How did they look against Buffalo those 2 games . They blew the Carolina game too.Im not a fan of bend but dont break defense.
It ranked 8th in overall PPG. How the hell do you think that was not good?
Griese's GlassesNew MemberHaving a good pass defense means squat when garbage teams like the Bills can walk their way downfield.
Unlucky 13subscriberThe defense was just a better version of the offense this year. Capable of playing very well in streaches, but also crashing a burning at just the wrong moment. Giving up big yards on third or fourth and long. How many games did the D just flat out stop the other team all game long? I count two, Cleveland and @ the Jets. More often, they played to the competition. I see that as a Joe Philbin trait, just like it was a Sparano trait before him.
Why do we see lousy teams just line up and crush other ones almost every week, but every single Fins game is down to the wire? This team, over so many years, just doesn't win games easily, and they keep getting beaten by teams that are worse on paper. Year after year.
"Anonymous wrote:
It ranked 8th in overall PPG. How the hell do you think that was not good?
Maimi gave up 20.9 PPG NE gave up 21.1 PPG Would you call NE defense good I wouldnt.
"smhemi wrote:
Maimi gave up 20.9 PPG NE gave up 21.1 PPG Would you call NE defense good I wouldnt.
I would call New England's defense a good defense.
Colmaxforum_veteranIf someone with an account at one of these NFL stat analysis sites could hook us up with the percentage of 3rd and 5+ (or 3rd and "long") plays Miami gave up compared to the rest of the league, it would be greatly appreciated.
I think I read somewhere that typically, in order to have a nice percentage towards a first down, an offense needs 4-5 yards on 1st and 60% of the remaining yards on 2nd.
From the games I watched this year, Miami gave up more 3rd and longs than I can recall in recent memory. I would like the stats to back up my hunch that Miami was poor in this department compared to the league. It was absolutely uncanny, especially with an offense that does not score many points. Some of the drives sustained by opposing offenses, with regard to allowing those 3rd and longs changed games.
While I never threw the remote, I agree with the OP: it was tough to swallow.
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PhinFan1968subscriber"smhemi wrote:
Maimi gave up 20.9 PPG NE gave up 21.1 PPG Would you call NE defense good I wouldnt.
To add a little to that, Miami gave up 20.9 in closely played games...NE gave up 21.1 with teams airing it out trying to catch up/garbage time. Sure, there was probably a lot more ToP by NE's offense than Miami's, which also discolors this a little (i.e. NE's defense was on the field a lot less than Miami's...can take it different ways).
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