Will we beat the Patriots?

"Superself wrote:

Voted YES.
Dan has shown little. I think Bill Belichick has the tougher job this short week of GUESSING what Dan's strategy will be. He is reviewing film from our last two games and seeing first hand how tough we are.

He is the nervous one this week. That will transfer to his players and they will lose.

I think a short week helps us here, because it's one thing for Belichick to correctly guess what we're going to do, it's another thing to actually coach his players and have them executing the way he wants them to.

We have a certain element of surprise and Belichick just won't have the time to dissect everything and have his players soak it all up and actually execute correctly.

All that being said, the fact that we're playing up there makes things extremely hard for all the reasons other people already stated. I think we'll play really hard and the final score will be within 7 points, I just don't know if we'll come out with a win.

"Aqua4Ever04 wrote:

It's the only way he'll be served justice. How about just an injury that caused leg amputation? That'll suffice. I mean the guy has been busted cheating what? Five times now? And he has never missed a game because of it.

Not counting all the times he cheated on his husband with another guy...sorry, I don't have pics.

;)

The last time the Dolphins beat New England in Foxborough was Sept 21, 2008 but as it seems right now, THESE Dolphins are not the Dolphins that have been perennial losers in New England.

If Miami plays with the intensity they've played the last two weeks, look for New England to be handed their first loss...and the Dolphins to finally start getting the respect they deserve.

"PhinFan1968 wrote:

I don't think you give Edelman enough credit, or Amendola for that matter. Manning had those guys, but he needed them. They didn't do what the Cheaters are doing. Brady and Belicheat overshadow anybody else on that team, save Gronk (and Moss when he was there), because the coaches and QBs get the credit...we all know this. RT got offensive player of the week this week, and IMO it easily could've went to (and should've went to) Miller...or Landry. Edelman has been stellar, even better than Welker was...with the ball in his hands. I'm not talking about making a catch, I'm talking about making plays after. He's slippery as hell.

And my post had nothing to do with crowning RT or any such BS. He has nothing to do with Brady or what I posted.

Brady threw for 6.6 YPA (below average) yet they won the game with only a few yards on the ground. That speaks to a team win does it not?

They're made better...by BB 1st, Brady a distant 2nd, IMO.

Edelman is a good receiver made a lot better because of Brady. A lot. He's not putting up those numbers with anyone else not super elite. Probably not even Rodgers. Brady is on pace to throw for 5,400 yards with a HOF level TE but no other elite player at any other position on offense, and a piecemeal oline.

The NFL needs to stop suing Brady. It never works out well.

Brady's accuracy percentage—completion rate adjusted for drops, throwaways, spikes, etc.—is 81.9 percent, according to Pro Football Focus. That's the highest it has found in nine years of measuring. Brady's average time to throw is 2.20 seconds. That's the lowest PFF has found in the five years it has kept track.

IF our guys are going to get to him, they need to do it fast.

"jw3102 wrote:

I certainly think it will be a much closer and better game than it would have been if Philbin was still the head coach. If it was being played in Miami, I think the Dolphins would have a very good chance of winning.
Unfortunately with the game being played in New England and on a short preparation week, I just think the Patriots with Belichick and Brady have a huge advantage heading into the game.

Obviously I would love to see the Dolphins win the game, but right now I think it will be the Patriots by a score of 27-17.

what the reasoning behind this short preparation week ? its the same for both teams...we are on the road...yes...thats the big key....and yes we play brady and gronk..thats another key.....

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I'm thinking it won't be close, one team is going to win big.

If the phins can play with intensity and pressure Brady through their patchwork OL, then I think the Dolphins have enough on offense to run over the Pats. Especially when we have guys like Parker and Stills who have been essentially under wraps so far this year. I'd feel better of Jay Ajayi was available at full health, for the surprise factor. So if the Patsies scoring is kept low I see us winning well.

But if the patsies can slow down the pass rush enough for Brady to dissect our coverage then I think they can score a lot of points. And as much as I like Dan Campbell I haven't seen enough from our offense to feel good about them if they're put into a gunslinger duel. When our offense has become predictable we've been shut down. So if the Patsies score a lot of points and force us into pass or die I see us falling behind.

I think our DL can disrupt their OL, but it's a Thursday night away game which strongly favors the home team. So I think we win, and win well, but not with a high degree of confidence.

cover but not win

Win (but only IF):

- Keep pounding Lamar. Does not sound right because he seems to hit a wall in parts of the game, but keep running him. Any other back is simply....not good enough. I did not really appreciate how much Lamar means to this team until recently.

- Linebackers keep their heads on a swivel with this underneath stuff and wrap tackle. Hit them hard if you can, but make sure you make the tackle.

- D line continues with its ascent. This could be an early Thanksgiving, but then we go back to the LBs with the quick hits from Brady. He's going to get his. Minimize YAC in those situations. Keep it third and long. Makes it easier.

- Tannehill shines when Miller shines. While Miller has put up yards the past few weeks, his workload has been relatively light. Not sure this will be the case. I can see Miller getting 25 carries. Bring your lunchbox, Miller! Why? The less time Brady has the ball, the better.

- 1 for 9 on third down WILL NOT work against this team. But I think Miami's offense matches up well. Smart passes, Tanny. You are not Tom Brady. But you can be Ryan Tannehill. Wouldn't be surprised in some run-option to keep the chains moving.

- LEAVE IT ALL OUT ON THE FIELD. You get a long week to recover. Fight for everything! But understand (coaches included) that this is not the final exam. Win or lose, build from this.

**Funny how the tides have changed with the poll with a bunch of media stuff coming out yesterday. I'm in, too!**

7.5 to 10 pt underdogs in Vegas.

I voted yes, because what the team has showed the last 2 games. I know it's Brady and Bellicheat but I'm more worried about the refs.

In Miami, maybe. In New England, no, I don't believe so.

"Aqua4Ever04 wrote:

You think Ronnie Brown is available tomorrow?

To be quite frank, offense isn't going to win this game. It's going to be the defense that decides the game. Our secondary is suspect, there's no doubt about that so it's going to be up to Suh, Mitchell, Wake and Vernon to get to Brady...get to him early and get to him often. New England has all but abandoned any type of running offense, putting it all on Brady and the passing game. Figure that Brady's going to drop back to pass 9 out of 10 plays. Of those pass attempts by Brady, the defense needs to knock him to the ground 8 out of 10 times, hurrying him, causing him to either take a sack, or throw early. That's the only way our secondary is going to be able to match up against Brady.

Offensively, we just need to keep pounding the ball on the ground, wear down their defense and chew up the clock.

I love the fins... but I'm a realist. We don't win this week against the Pats.

"Alex13 wrote:

what the reasoning behind this short preparation week ? its the same for both teams...we are on the road...yes...thats the big key....and yes we play brady and gronk..thats another key.....

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First of all, traveling to New England on only three days rest is an advantage for the Patriots. In regards to preparation for the game. Belichick has been a head coach for years and he has experience at preparing his team to play games on a few days rest. His record of 8-0 on Thrusday night games clearly shows this.

While Campbell has certainly changed the culture of this team. He is now going to be facing off against the best head coach in the NFL along with one of the top QB's to ever play in the NFL. I just see this as a huge advantage for the Patriots tonight.

Right now I believe the Patriots are a better team than the Dolphins. They are playing at home where they rarely lose and the fact the Dolphins didn't have much time to prepare for the game is also a big advantage for the Patriots, IMO.

You are certainly free to disagree with me and in a few more hours we will get to see if I am right or hopefully completely wrong in my view that the Patriots will win tonight.

"jw3102 wrote:

First of all, traveling to New England on only three days rest is an advantage for the Patriots. In regards to preparation for the game. Belichick has been a head coach for years and he has experience at preparing his team to play games on a few days rest. His record of 8-0 on Thrusday night games clearly shows this.

While Campbell has certainly changed the culture of this team. He is now going to be facing off against the best head coach in the NFL along with one of the top QB's to ever play in the NFL. I just see this as a huge advantage for the Patriots tonight.

Right now I believe the Patriots are a better team than the Dolphins. They are playing at home where they rarely lose and the fact the Dolphins didn't have much time to prepare for the game is also a big advantage for the Patriots, IMO.

You are certainly free to disagree with me and in a few more hours we will get to see if I am right or hopefully completely wrong in my view that the Patriots will win tonight.

Just once, it would be nice to see you go out on a limb and be optimistic....just once.

"jw3102 wrote:

First of all, traveling to New England on only three days rest is an advantage for the Patriots. In regards to preparation for the game. Belichick has been a head coach for years and he has experience at preparing his team to play games on a few days rest. His record of 8-0 on Thrusday night games clearly shows this.

While Campbell has certainly changed the culture of this team. He is now going to be facing off against the best head coach in the NFL along with one of the top QB's to ever play in the NFL. I just see this as a huge advantage for the Patriots tonight.

Right now I believe the Patriots are a better team than the Dolphins. They are playing at home where they rarely lose and the fact the Dolphins didn't have much time to prepare for the game is also a big advantage for the Patriots, IMO.

You are certainly free to disagree with me and in a few more hours we will get to see if I am right or hopefully completely wrong in my view that the Patriots will win tonight.

Only problem with the "short preparation week" argument is that the home team win percentage in the NFL is around 57%, and for Thursday night games it's 57.8%, hardly a difference. So statistically speaking the argument Alex13 gave is probably more on the mark: it's the same for both teams so the short preparation week itself probably isn't a major factor in the outcome.

Also, I'm not sure where people get this 8-0 record on Thursday night games stat. The Patriots are 3-1 in Thursday night games: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_Network_Thursday_Night_Football_results_(2006%E2%80%93present)

That's since 2006, but this site https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thursday_Night_Football shows the record of all teams for Thursday night games up until 2013 and the Patriots are 2-1, so including the 2014 game from the first link the Patriots are 3-1 in Thursday night games.

Best case scenario we blow up their online and shut down their run and pass gm. Offensively our run gm probably gets shut down but our receivers can exploit their secondary. Worst case. Belichik outschemes campbell and we lose badly. I'll go best case scenario dolphins 28-13. And the tannehill detractors will focus on the six incomplete passes and say we should have scored 52 points

"Fin D wrote:

Just once, it would be nice to see you go out on a limb and be optimistic....just once.

Well I did predict they would beat the Texans last week. So I guess I was optimistic before that game.

I want the Dolphins to win tonight, but I tend to think of myself as more realistic than optimistic in regards to the Dolphins.

Hopefully over the coming 10 weeks, this team and coaching staff will give me a reason to be more optimistic about the long range future of this organization.

"jw3102 wrote:

Well I did predict they would beat the Texans last week. So I guess I was optimistic before that game.

I want the Dolphins to win tonight, but I tend to think of myself as more realistic than optimistic in regards to the Dolphins.

Hopefully over the coming 10 weeks, this team and coaching staff will give me a reason to be more optimistic about the long range future of this organization.

You live in Hawaii.

You are retired.

You shouldn't be guarded.

Have some fun and let loose a little.

Give in to the optimism for one week.

"Fin D wrote:

You live in Hawaii.

You are retired.

You shouldn't be guarded.v

Have some fun and let loose a little.

Give in to the optimism for one week.

Okay Fin D, you win. I will go into tonight's game expecting the Dolphins to win and if they don't I can always blame it on you. :up:

The Pats thursday breakdown;

from 2001 to now the Pats are 8-1 when playing on thur

3-0 openers
2-0 turkey day (day games)
3-1 thur night

so in-season(non opener) they are 5-1 playing on thur.

Fins are 5-4 from 2001

0-1 in openers
2-1 on turkey day
3-2 on thursday night

in-season 5-3 on thur

"Finster wrote:

The Pats thursday breakdown;

since 2000 the Pats are 8-1 when playing on thur

3-0 openers
2-0 turkey day (day games)
3-1 thur night

so in-season(non opener) they are 5-1 playing on thur.

Fins are 5-4 since 2000

0-1 in openers
2-1 on turkey day
3-2 on thursday night

in-season 5-3 on thur

Can you provide us with a link (saves time)?

The undefeated Pats?
Home field advantage.
Pass interference comeback champions (Zebra help).
Healthy Tom %$#@in Brady.
Pay a judge off to get cheating player back from suspension.
Most busted team every for constant cheating.
* < yes that's a asterisk.

But I have no sense Hell ya the Dolphins are going in to win this game.

"cbrad wrote:

Can you provide us with a link (saves time)?

Per pro football reference, doing a search of thursday games from 2001 to the present.

Fins
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/tgl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=game&year_min=2001&year_max=2015&game_type=R&playoff_round=&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&week_num_min=0&week_num_max=99&game_day_of_week=5&game_time=&time_zone=&game_location=&surface=&roof=&stadium_id=&temperature_gtlt=lt&temperature=&game_result=&overtime=&league_id=&team_id=mia&team_conf_id=&team_div_id=&opp_id=&opp_conf_id=&opp_div_id=&team_off_scheme=&team_def_align=&opp_off_scheme=&opp_def_align=&conference_game=&division_game=&tm_is_playoff=&opp_is_playoff=&tm_is_winning=&opp_is_winning=&tm_scored_first=&tm_led=&tm_trailed=&tm_won_toss=&c1stat=&c1comp=gt&c1val=&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5comp=&c5gtlt=lt&c6mult=1.0&c6comp=&order_by=game_date

Pats
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/tgl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=game&year_min=2001&year_max=2015&game_type=R&playoff_round=&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&week_num_min=0&week_num_max=99&game_day_of_week=5&game_time=&time_zone=&game_location=&surface=&roof=&stadium_id=&temperature_gtlt=lt&temperature=&game_result=&overtime=&league_id=&team_id=nwe&team_conf_id=&team_div_id=&opp_id=&opp_conf_id=&opp_div_id=&team_off_scheme=&team_def_align=&opp_off_scheme=&opp_def_align=&conference_game=&division_game=&tm_is_playoff=&opp_is_playoff=&tm_is_winning=&opp_is_winning=&tm_scored_first=&tm_led=&tm_trailed=&tm_won_toss=&c1stat=&c1comp=gt&c1val=&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5comp=&c5gtlt=lt&c6mult=1.0&c6comp=&order_by=game_date

"jw3102 wrote:

Okay Fin D, you win. I will go into tonight's game expecting the Dolphins to win and if they don't I can always blame it on you. :up:

Just came back two nights ago but this time we went to Oahu, last year we were in Maui. What part? Stayed in Kaanapali and Wailea.

Woke up at 7:30 and the game was like 35-0.