I found the below quote interesting. Reinforces exactly what I thought was going on i.e. forcing the ball to Landry.
http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nfl/miami-dolphins/article208004759.html#storylink=cpy
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I mean looking back and trying not to have a bias angle for the team, but it does look like those guys were just not being the best we needed them to be in certain capacities.
Ajayi was a pric and only wanted to run certain plays, got full of himself after some success.
Jarvis was an animal on the field but a poor leader of men, too immature.
Suh is a diva plain and simple, and also not a good leader of men, doesn't care about his legacy imo.
Pouncey is just not a smart guy, he's been overpaid for years considering the games and practice time he missed..more than compensated fairly, should of protected his legacy and taken a paycut.
I love the point about how they were in position to make a run after beating the pats and just showed their azzez..poor leadership.
I do believe a great coach should be able to connect and galvanize a team, but Pouncey, Suh, Juice, and Ajayi are not his players.danmarino, ripper1961, resnor and 2 others like this. -
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It's probably only me, but when he talked about Parker I was like, Parker? Oh yeah, I forgot about him. When I think of our offense and it's possible productivity this up coming season he's the last person I think about, if I remember him at all. I hope that changes after week 1.
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We'd probably be talking another 500+ yards and 5+ TD's (I broke this down in another thread what each receiver would have looked like with 101 catches....Landry was 2nd to worst behind Fasano).
I have always liked Landry on the field, but he's a guy you should throw to 3-5 times per game on short down/yards or across the middle on early downs. These 10+ pass games simply made others key him and killed far too many drives. Once you add in the tantrums and the fights though, he's just not a guy I want on our team. Great player, but far too selfish for someone so limited on what he can do.jdallen1222, resnor and eltos_lightfoot like this. -
No, Landry is a different situation though. I am a little surprised we did the right thing and let someone else overpay for him. The old dolphins would totally make a stupid decision and overpay for a player like Landry. Less is more sometimes. I think we will miss Suh’s reliability more than we will miss Landry.mbsinmisc, KeyFin and Ohio Fanatic like this. -
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The Dolphins have made plenty of big changes to the roster this offseason. The changes were sparked in part by the team’s effort, of lack thereof, during a 24-16 loss to the Bills.
“That game at Buffalo just seemed like a 20-hour game,” coach Adam Gase recently said on The Joe Rose Show, via the Palm Beach Post. “I was just waiting for us to turn the corner and really get going and nothing was working for us. There was no swagger, no attitude, and it was disappointing to see. It wasn’t everybody. You turn on that tape, there are guys that stand out noticeably as far as their effort and their play that was extremely high, and they were giving everything they had. We just did not have enough guys doing that. That’s why we felt like we needed to change some things around.”
The Dolphins had just upset the Patriots on a Monday night in Miami, a win that seemed to potentially get a rocky season on track. The loss at Buffalo sparked a three-game slide that sealed the team’s fate for 2017.
Gase’s comments represent a more specific twist on a concept he seemed to agree with during a conversation at the league meetings in Orlando. The adversity that the Dolphins faced throughout the 2017 season made it easier for Gase to determine who is and isn’t fully on board. Moving forward, Gase surely wants more of the guys who will be all in no matter what, and fewer of the guys who won’t be.mbsinmisc likes this. -
The only think I can hold out hope on is that a lot of the players that were on that team Last year we’re here before Gase..
I was so disgusted after the pats game and said on the board that I felt that the dolphins were acting way to cocky afterwards considering that haven’t accomplished jack sh## as a team, I said if they show their azz against the bills it means something ain’t right in that locker room..
There was no damn good reason why they came out looking like that except that it must be a locker room problem..
What I’m really confused about is how much blame should I be allocating to Gase in this matter, I mean maybe this team didn’t respect the move to not give Matt Moore a legit shot st the job, maybe it’s the coaches job to find ways to connect with players so that they do t let what happened in Buffalo happen ya know..
But I keep coming back to this, he gave it a shot with others people players, now it’s time to get hismbsinmisc, eltos_lightfoot and danmarino like this. -
The media is big on calling this a "culture change" but I think that's inaccurate- we just want folks who are committed and willing to outwork everyone else. That mentality starts with leaders in the locker room so there is some culture there, but it's really more about unselfish football and doing what's best for the franchise.
Landry and Ajayi didn't do that. Pouncey couldn't do that with his hip pain. Suh obviously didn't do that taking 20% of our entire cap space...his on-field production was irrelevant since we were paying him the cost of 3-5 solid starting players. I don't think any of these moves were about ability as much as all the little intangibles that produce 22 solid starters.mbsinmisc, jdallen1222, rafael and 2 others like this. -
While it is unfair to expect the impossible, at least some measure of blame has to find its way to Gase. Its clear it was more then just a few guys that didn't buy into the program. An attempt to change culture means that it was more negative then good in that locker room, I would have hoped that change should have been a key point in adjustment at the start of the 2nd year.
He gets a pass from me on the actual outcome of the season. I had written it off when Tannehill went down. However, I had hoped to see what type of a leader he was when things didn't go as planned. That was what we got a glimpse of this last year. -
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At the same time though, Gase also said Moore his starter....and then he was QB2 without a single on-field competition. That's the one thing that really upset me and I'm sure it pissed Matt of something fierce.mbsinmisc likes this. -
Gase knew this team was going nowhere with matt Moore from the prior year. As soon as gase started having to get away from the pa and motion based coverage ids matt Moore showed up ugly.
You put week in week out starter scheme and game plan and qb ask on his plate and he fails.
He found out that cutler mentally checked out of taking contact to make plays in the pocket execution wise when he decided to take the tv gig.
Thus the qb execution was in the toilet. Miami left a ton of plays on the field in 2017 completely due to qb execution.
You can’t check a qb box off by making a proper pre to post snap read the grad carries from there to letting progressions develop and execution of the throw both from a leverage aspect and placement.
And the latter half of that was completely missing with jay cutler.
But Miami couldn’t have asked the qb to do the same things as cutler either play calling wise with matt moore. Much more limited.
Frankly I’m just glad it’s over. On both.mbsinmisc and texanphinatic like this. -
Dunno what is with this franchise thinking they should bring in dopes like Brady Quinn and Jay Cutler to usurp Moore. -
Moore should've been the starter. Anyone with eyeballs knew Cutler wasn't there to stand in the pocket. He was collecting a check and doing everything to prevent getting carried off on a stretcher.Last edited: Apr 6, 2018 -
It was only a waste of time because jay cutler checked out on contact
As in willingness to take it to make plays.
I don’t know how gase could have known that off 2015 in Chicago unless cutler showed it then.
Cutler always relied on that arm to offset poor mechanics and footwork. Once that labrum tore he lost that 40 yard flat footed rope fastball but we still got the same **** mechanics and footwork.
In that regard it was an absolute fail but I can’t knock gase for knowing that team was going nowhere with matt Moore. And looking to another option and given it was August when tanny went down options barring trading for someone elses trash frankly were gonna be very limited.texanphinatic likes this. -
A guy who was ready for TV sportscasting, coming off a major labrum surgery who's very own wife had to convince him to return and play for the Phins ------ wasn't a risk to play too cautiously back there?
I'm sorry, but the front office counting on a guy like that was a panic move and one of the utmost stupidity. This is a guy who's entire career has been marred by concerns regarding effort. Suddenly he'd turn a corner playing relief pitcher at the backend of his career when he was on the way out? In what alternate dimension?Last edited: Apr 6, 2018mbsinmisc likes this. -
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I think it had more to do with limitations of one qb far outweighing the other in terms of qb ask as a play caller and game planner.
You couldn’t run all that empty stuff pre snap with matt Moore and him not screw it up.
He also blew every protection adjustment call or account for the unblocked man by design even at times as in ball must come out immediately.
Bottom line is matt Moore as a starter is a brutal option. Too much limitations.
Thus the proper dubbed matt diminishing returns Moore.texanphinatic likes this. -
media guys out here in LA were saying the ''diva'' word when describing suh, citing they can tell, and that he's cancelled two pressers because he doesn't want to share the stage.. the business man is fu##in up his legacy..
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I am probably not going to be liked for this post but I've never been a fan of Moore as a NFL QB, backup or starter. He is without a doubt a great dude and loved by the team though. I am hopeful that in this draft we could get a replacement for Moore and then who knows, we could make Moore a coach.
I am also not a fan of Cutler by any means and thought signing him was a huge mistake. I pretty much wrote off last season after RT went down. I had high hopes leading up to that point though. Honestly though there wasn't any QB available that would have changed my mind or given me hope that we could get to the playoffs.
So I think with all the above in mind going with Moore last year might have been a better decision. Not that it would have given Miami more wins, it just wouldn't have been wasteful. The Dolphins were not at a point where the team could win on a regular basis with a backup QB or anyone else that was available. -
I’m of the opinion Ryan Tannehill never gets hurt Jarvis Landry is still here right now.
Ajayi maybe not cause he went into trying to hit a home run on every carry mode once there was 8 in the box and cutler couldn’t make teams pay for it.
Although tanny would have kept them more honest. The only team I saw with tanny full sell out to stop the run was San Fran in 2016 and he torched them for it.resnor likes this. -
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Again, this was a situation where Gase brought a bum in off the street who he was familiar with in hopes of not having to deviate any more from his offensive philosophy. In a patchwork season like this one with little to no hope of winning any titles - why waste the cap space? just run what Matt does well. The differential in wins between the two QB's wouldn't have been more than 1-2. -
But that brings us to the other side of Moore, the fierce leader and competitor that teammates want to go to war with. He has fantastic vision and has never flinched at the chance to gamble for the big play, which is exactly why everyone loves him so much. His best games as a Dolphin can rival stat lines from any HOFer because the dude is absolutely fearless. After all, are they really going to bench their backup? He knew he had nothing to lose and took every chance he could.
This past season changed him though because he deserved to start out of the gate- I think that doomed his career because he knew time was running out and he'd never get a fair shot in Miami.danmarino likes this. -
Just because you know Moore can't be relied upon for a full season didn't mean you don't keep him as a backup. He's fine in short bursts, just over a full season his shortcomings get magnified.
I also don't think he deserved anything. From the reports in training camp on Cutler, I really have a hard time believing Moore would have beat him out. Cutler looked great in camp. -
Easy to step into throws in camp because you're not allowed to get hit.mbsinmisc likes this. -
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But I can show you on tape where in the super bowl game even Ajayi bypassed the blocking and tried to bounce it and left yards on the field.
So I think it’s a part of him as a player.
I really think the empty and single set 11 personnel based o gase ran with cutler once Ajayi was dumped for pennies on the dollar was tbe o gase wants to run. The vision.
They just added a 2 way go slot in Amendola and a scheme based personnel wr in Wilson also. So miamis not going away from 11 based personnel o.danmarino likes this. -
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I don’t really get the tell side of things if anything I think Drake was more a tell coming in cause up to his late season run you could set your watch to off tackle or wide zone or draw with Drake’s run.
The durability of the player as a lead back is still to be determined. But that could probably be said with Ajayi also. That cat took hard contact on repeat but he definitely limited the versatility ask of the position. He also dictated to the opposition.
I don’t think drake threatens opposing dcs the same way in terms of how teams have to play it.Last edited: Apr 8, 2018
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