What is the risk factor with Gholston?

 

Watch the Sugarbowl and you'll see a healthy Dorsey. You may change your mind. It's not a sexy pick . Fans don't always get what is best for a franchise. I like Dorsey. He'll be the guy unless we can trade out.

 

Or if he puts on 25lbs

Last I heard he weighed 292. Not the size you look for in a NT

 

I'd rather spend it on a pass rusher, more than a run stopper. Dorsey may be both, I'll need to see more of him.

D-lineman get more valuable they better they are at rushing the passer.

 

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testing in the nfl will not become more intense. players are already tested. they can't really do more than test

and you would think that by now people would be educated enough to tell that physical appearance means little in telling who has used steroids (pettite, kevin brown, etc.)

i usually respect most of your insight, but this was just an ignorant statement.

 

its all good. to be honest i wouldnt be surprised if gholston is on the juice

but i think the NFL, it isnt that big of a deal

castillo from SD tested positive at the NFL combine, and still was drafted high, and basically its been forgotten.
even with merriman, he tested positive, missed 4 games, and thats it.

I dont think you can really avoid players that are potential users, because it is so widespread.

If it were up to me, everything would be allowed. Steroids and HGH can do great things, medically, when taken under a doctor's supervision. It can extend careers for a long time.

You get ZT on the juice and he is back in his prime

 

From everything I know about Gholston, I will be amazed if he's on drugs.

All three - Long, Gholston and Dorsey - would be great picks. Jake Long is a RT, but Parcells wants a power run game and he's very much a Parcells type.

 

I agree. Long, Dorsey or Gholston will make me a happy guy. Trade down a few picks and still get Gholston or Long would be even better.

 

i agree that long is parcells' type

but i think the value of a RT is not going to be what it will be for a d-lineman

you also have to look at who we target in free agency. two premier players at their positions (flozell adams and haynesworth) are going to be on the market.

 

If we shifted down, I could see Laurinatis, Jeff Otah, Mike Jenkins and the DT at USC all as possibilities.

 

Miami won't sign Haynesworth. He's not a Parcells guy.

It's not beyond the realsm of possibility that Miami signs Flozell Adams, drafts Jake Long to play RT, plays Carey at RG and hopes that Long will assume the LT spot in 2 years. Personally, he doesn't have the footwork to play LT.

 

I was thinking more along the lines of us signing Adams, moving Carey to RT, and drafting d-line

why do you not think that haynesworth is a parcells guy?

 

Please no Jake Long.

 

Yes, you can afford to pay a De 60 million, Julius Peppers comes to mind, if that DE is a playmaker ala Derrick Thomas or LT or Bruce Smith, then why not?

 

Depends on the structure of the contract and how the money is distributed. I believe this year the #1 overall pick is slotted for about $35 million in guaranteed money. (Yet another reason to avoid Darren McFadden; Ronnie Brown's total contract is exactly that much.)

 

to the OP...I think so...IMO the only 2 spots you couldnt pay that kind of money to are Kicker and Punter...you can find examples of guys worth that kind of money at nearly every position...you just have to make sure he is the "right" guy.

 

The top 16 picks are eligible for 5-year contracts. Everyone else is four years. JaMarcus Russell, Reggie Bush, Vince Young, and Calvin Johnson all signed six-year contracts. Mario Williams and Joe Thomas signed five-year contracts. (Unrelated to the #1 pick, but Darrelle Revis punked the Jets into a 4-year contract with multi-million dollar options for years five and six.)

 

yea, thats the nature of today's NFL

i know ive heard a lot about the owners trying to change it. giving less money to first round draft picks. its a bit absurd how much they are being paid.

 

The player's union is apparently resisting the idea of a rookie salary cap ala the NBA draft. I don't know why--it's not in the interests of the 90% of other NFL players to have the rookie 10% come in and suck up all the salary cap room every year.

This will be a big sticking point in the next CBA negotiations.

 

Where did you hear that? Everytime someone that doesn't want him quotes his wieght, it goes down, and everytime some one that does, it goes up...

 

Its called the combine, soon enough there will be no questions.

 

Can you tie up $60 million in anyone. It's the one thing I'm surprised wasn't the main point of contention in the last bargaining agreement.

Just make sure you get a player who can play 8-10 years for you out of it.

 

i actually heard mel kiper this week say he was 292.

ive seen him listed between 300-310. and usually players like that have an exhaggerated 'listed' weight

 

well, generally speaking, i would say that its fair for rookies to try to get as much as they can/want.

its really up to the owners. usually these top picks are seen as players that can revive/save a franchise. there is a lot of pressure to get them into camp, and the agents do a good job of leveraging the teams in this regard.

 

i see a lot of getting caught up in the dollars of a contract vs. the cap impact, and it doesn't make much sense to me.

a rookie's first contract is only an issue if he is a complete bust. then the cap implications due to an acceleration of the guaranteed money comes into play if the bum is released or traded.

aside from that, the rookie almost always costs less than a veteran of which similar impact is expected.

in the top five the lines blur some in the top positions, but no rookie will break the cap nor the rookie allotment by himself.

I say we stop worrying about something four months away and that might undergo several permutations before then. even in the worst-case scenario, we're still golden.

remember that every year five teams pick in the top five and no one goes broke because of it - only from bad draft decisions.

 

Not in relation to veterans. Why is it that a person who's never played a down in the NFL can get $35 million guaranteed, but a guy who's been around for seven or eight years and worked his *** off will never see anything like that amount?

Cap rookie salaries, and if they're truly special players, they can get paid in free agency in four years.

 

isn't richard seymour the most expensive pats defender? I don't see a problem with it