listen before anyone starts *****ing take a second to remember what we are trying to do. We jettisoned a lot of high priced talent in the offseason and brought in very little talent as far as free agency goes so I am aware we have tons of positions that need addressed. Regardless of what happened in the draft we were NEVER going to fill all this positions of need and were told a ton of URFA were going to be signed.
That said with very limited ammo Grier and Flores pulled together a very good draft IMHO. We got a STUD defensive lineman, and a possible franchise quarterback at a ridiculous low price point and another draft pick in the process.
We were able to draft a potential starter in dieter who’s can play multiple positions in the line probably guard with some real beef! 6.5 310
A promissory g tackle a LB who will fight for some reps in his rookie year, and a Good RB from Wisconsin and a freaking fullback lol we going old school run the ball boyz!!!
We’re loaded for next years draft and I’m sure we will sign some player during training camp that are cut, we got lots of work to do but a big SOLID B+ from me on this draft!
GO FINS!!!
I expect us to win 5 games this year I’m on the record
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People are salty we didnt take "Their guy" at whatever pick but in the end if Rosen is the guy that will make this draft an A+++++ on its own.
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Given all the circumstances I agree. I heard Grier say they hoped to land 3 starters going into the draft and if Rosen wins the starting job they did just that. If one or two of the late round guys and a UDFA or two come through, and they always seem to lately, we could look back on this as a hugely successful draft. On top of that they have put themselves in a tremendous position for he draft next year.
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It'll be a crucible this year for all these low-rounders and UDFAs, which is good/bad. We really need to do some damage next free agency and draft though, and we need to do it wisely and with reservation.
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Personally not a fan of the Rosen move or the job done this year, but I could as easily be wrong as right - especially if either of those linemen turn into league average starters, let alone both. I think Prince has a good shot to be a starter sooner rather than later, and for god's sake how long have we needed guards? -
Absolutely was a good draft. Once uneducated fin fans start to read something more than Omar, Armando, and Barry...they realize that the vast majority of the national media and punditry loved what we did this weekend. The consensus is that we got a steal in Rosen and we made some quality picks of fat, mean, productive core guys. we have plenty of time to evaluate ROsen, there is no rush. No one next year is a sure thing and Tua will be further found out this year. We will have options next year, we will have options to make a play for the true crown jewel Lawrence in two years if Rosen can't get it together. Plenty of time, plenty of options, it is a great day to be a Dolphins fan, and that is something I haven't felt for at least 15 years. Finally taking some risk,finally stripping it down, Fitz and Rosen are going to be a hoot to watch this year, we already know we have a huge stockpile of ammo in next years draft.
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When we kept Grier on board and gave him all of the FO power, rather than looking outside of the building, I wasn't excited. I saw him as part of the problem, given how long he'd been a part of the team.
However, I've been very happy with most of what he's done since then and what seems to be his long term vision for the club. The team is in an extremely favorable position in 2020 both with draft picks in cap space, and will be one of the clubs that controls the 2020 offseason in both regards.
I love that he resigned DeVante Parker to a fair contract and gave him a chance to prove himself with the new staff, and holy cow I could not be more happy about how everything went down with getting our QB of the future in Rosen.
I am happier with Grier than I have with our GM/Lead personel man in a long, long time. He still needs to keep it going, but so far so good. We need to now look at extending both Tunsil and Howard to long term deals, and I would really like to extend Drake as well. He's not only a talent, but he's a very smart, good guy, and only 25. I want him to be a leader and a part of the future.
Flores is mostly a blank slate, but I'm happy that he's been on board with what Grier has wanted to do. He'll get his chance soon.resnor, Surfs Up 99, Tin Indian and 1 other person like this. -
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Grier was largely in charge of scouting and drafting for several years now, and he was the main man in charge of the draft last couple of years eventhough he didn't have final say. He is the one who tageted Charles harris in 2017 for example so his talent evaluation skills are really suspect to me at this point.
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As for Van Ginkel(and in defensive prospects in general) the Dolphins are almost certainly going to consistently have different draft boards than most of the rest of the league. For a bunch of teams in the league, Van Ginkel is going to be pretty useless- he's too soft to be an every down edge defender, and has no experience with run fits on interior gaps or the run/pass binds that players there are put in. However, for those handful of teams that can use a guy who is somewhere between a 3-4 OLB and true linebacker(Dolphins, Lions, Patriots, Steelers), Van Ginkel and guys like that are more valuable. He's a good late-round candidate to be developed as a Jamie Collins type player.
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This draft is going to hinge on Rosen. Whether 1. he is a franchise guy, or 2. this front office can move on next year if he doesnt show it this year and take another QB. If either one of those two are true, I think we had a good draft.
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I want Rosen in asap and playing. I want him to either prove he is the man, or else we need to go back to the well in 2020.resnor likes this. -
Coming into the draft we had needs as RT, LG and C. We addressed LG with Dieter in the 3rd and RT with Isaiah Prince in the Sixth. -
The best case scenario is Rosen comes on board in Miami and is a stud/hero type guy. That's in the teams best interest because 1) it ends the search and 2) it frees up the resources in next years draft.
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It's impossible to judge a draft before folks take the field, but I think it really all comes down to Rosen and the linemen we snagged. If Rosen does develop then it was the draft of the decade. I'll reserve judgement for another six months though.
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i'm salty grier picked charles harris and he moved up to take caroo in the 3rd round, could of gotten him as UDFA.
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I do think Fitzpatrick gets traded, there is absolutely no need for him here now. Zero.PhinFan1968 and resnor like this. -
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Our free agent pickups have been terrible. Absolutely terrible.Irishman and Tin Indian like this. -
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Another thing this is the 1st draft that Grier has really been in charge. Previously he was one of 3 voices. Let's see what he does and evaluate him from THIS draft forward. It's only from now on that we can be 100% certain that these are his picks.Irishman, resnor and Dol-Fan Dupree like this. -
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I think Rosen ends up a bust (as a starter). maybe he becomes a reliable backup. But, even if he's a bust, I'm fine with this draft - if Wilkens lives up to being a long time starter and Dieter is a starter. hopefully the other draft picks become at least solid rotational players in the lineup. you can't rebuild Rome in a year after burning it down
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For example, I think Kyler Murray is about as easy as it gets..but some are adamant that he’s going to bust on the football field...If he plays like I expect he’ll play, I will not be able to trust the person that stated that he would fail, and Vise versa.
I have a hard time trusting Grier for the Tannehill extension Mahomes Passover.
But I think Gase was calling the shots, and we know that guy is about as bad as it gets in the personnel evaluating Dept.Last edited: May 2, 2019hitman8 likes this. -
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What I haven’t liked about our drafts under T-Baum is that we were drafting like we were already a dynasty. We took guys like a Parker, Carroo and Harris while thinking we could get by with cardbaod cutouts of players in the interior OL and LB positions in particular.
At least this draft had no picks leaving us wondering why the FO would draft someone at that position.Tin Indian, resnor and Surfs Up 99 like this. -
That is my #1 concern with him, do you not find those types of concerns valid? The onl team that allegedly said he did well was Arizona...big surprise there. -
to break down a chalk board, Ryan Tannehill, but when they drop the have a compartmentalized vision of the field.
Other than that the research I did on him showed to be a different player intellectually.
I do admit this is a unique personality, he’s more of an assassin type rather than your rah rah guy.
The Bottom line is the talent is special, like really special in a dual threat way..He simply can beat you so many ways I think it’s going to translate.
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I dont have physical questions about him, but I do question his passion for Football and his ability to pick up advanced concepts.
I see him as a guy who may have initial success but if the reports are true he may struggle when the tape comes out.
That said idk if he really was THAT BAD, just saying I do think that is major reason to pause.resnor likes this.
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