I just thought it'd be interesting to see this through a different perspective.
Let's say this hypothetical CB is a solid #3 who can step in as a starter if needed, which is basically what I'd think a team wants from a #3.
If Ireland were to trade a 2nd & 6th for another team's #3 CB, how would you feel?
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Bad trade. Too much for a #3 CB when you can find one in the 3rd-5th round
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Good trade. #3 CBs are hard to find and worth more than a 2nd & 6th.
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Even trade.
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MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member
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Yeah he was listed as #3 on the preseason depth chart, but he was our best cover guy on the team. And remember everyone saying it was just to send a message.
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If you had Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, and Drew Brees on your team and you traded Brees for a 2nd and a 6th, would you be happy?
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If Ireland took the picks and found another Vontae Davis type player who was being a malcontent on his team but could be very good, I would heartily endorse the trade. I don't fault Ireland for this one because for once I think this was the coaching staff fighting with a player and Ireland making the best he could out of an ugly situation he didn't start.
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Vontae is our first or second best CB (behind Smith depending on your POV). Definitely not third best.
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Depends on who the CB was. I doubt many teams in the NFL consider Vontae a #3.
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Anybody who says it would depend on the individual player is fooling themselves IMO.
About the time Ireland traded a #2 and a #6 for a guy who wasn't even starting, people would be starting threads organizing a lynching.Fin D, CashInFist, PSG and 7 others like this. -
Vontae Davis ran his mouth last season about what a great tandem he and Smith made, yet we were like #25 against the pass that year. We traded him for what will likely be a HIGH 2nd round pick. We drafted him at #25, and will possibly get a mid 30's pick in return, AFTER he busted...
Vontae Davis had already lost his starting spot on the defense last week, and wasn't accomplishing much in the nickel either. We just played a good half of coverage against last season's #8 passing attack with Smith and Marshall at corner, and did a pretty good job... -
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Here's a poll for you:
Judging a player's career and talent on a preseason depth chart is:
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b. Biased.
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Hypothetically, if the draft is next weekend and we need a #3 corner to play behind the entrenched SS & Marshall, what round do you guys feel would be appropriate to address the need? How would you guys honestly feel if we took a #3 corner over #1 WR with our 2nd round pick?
Regardless of how much we may have liked Vontae and want to hold onto his "potential" label, he was demoted to our #3 CB, and that's all that matters. As such, we should look at in terms of the value we place on the #3 corner position.shouright likes this. -
And now we can let Indianapolis fool around trying to get his potential out of him, while we draft someone in the high 2nd round with their pick.CashInFist and ToddPhin like this. -
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How would you feel about a trade for a 2nd and 6th for a guy relegated to punt coverage in 2007? The same guy that would later lead the league in all purpose yards for half the season?
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Either way, if you're going to create a team culture, you have to act consistently with it. If your own player isn't living up to your philosophy, it might be time for him to go, regardless of what he may do with some other team.
You have your own team and your own culture to think about, not some other team and some individual player's future career path.2socks likes this. -
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It's interesting that when the trade is reversed and Vontae's name is removed, there's not a poster yet who's said it would be a good trade for us to spend a 2nd & 6th round pick for a backup corner [who is good enough to start for us if needed].
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MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member
What would you think if our GM drafts a Sam LB in the 2nd round, considering a nickel corner is on the field about 60% of the defensive snaps and the Sam LB whom he replaces is on the field for 40%?
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2 years ago VD was on his way of being a top 10 corner easy. He has the ability most corners don't have.
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