Next 3 years, take LT, RT and G in 1st round...



















Just kiddin'...I don't know near enough about evaluating NFL talent, much like most people, to entertain the thought.

 

I would let this unit gel and see what we actually have on the line before making any drastic decisions.

 

I'm not sure a ton can be done at this point, but I do think that the depth of the unit is a concern. If someone goes down, it gets pretty scary. If you're talking long term, certainly I would be looking to improve the depth of the line at the very least.

 

It's too late, Ireland already fumbled. WTF can you do now but bring in every 300+ lb guy that ever played football and hope you find a diamond. I doubt anyone is willing to trade any decent Offensive Lineman.

Your stuck with this group and if I'm Ireland, I'm going to church on Sunday and praying to the almighty himself that one of these blatantly average starting five doesn't go down. (I say average with hope in my voice not belief.)

Drop a Pouncy, like Pittsburgh did on Sunday, and you may as well have the ambulance waiting on the sidelines for Tannehill.

The time to fix this was in the off-season and I thought he was doing well...I heard names like Long, Albert, McKinnie, etc. etc. and then I saw a trade up in the draft. Opps.:cry: When all was said and done, I heard the typical from Ireland - Well, Martin was our answer from day 1. :cry:

It's not so much he dropped the ball - it's that he dropped the ball (Like with Harbaugh/Sprarano) and then lies about dropping the ball, when we all know he dropped the ball. He should have just said, they pursued options, none of them really worked out, we know it's a problem and were lacking depth, we know.

To me, Irleand @%!#%! Tannehill/Miller/Wallace/Gibson/Hartline/Coach and All of us. Sorry, it is harsh but it is what it is. He needed to address the tackle position and he didn't. :wink2::pity::tantrum:

 

That's what we usually do. No need to give you control. :tongue2:

We waited until Naanee **** the bed in that game to go out and look for guys. That was after losing Johnson to arrest. I hope we don't wait until something catastrophic if it comes to it.

 

It's the coaches at this point. Ireland has given them more than adequate material to work with. Mike Pouncey, Richie Incognito, and Tyson Clabo are all pretty firmly upper quartile players at their respective positions. There are questions at LT and RG, but they're not bad enough to doom the entire endevour by any means. Both Martin and Jerry are serviceable.

The fundamental issue Sunday I think is quite arguably that the Dolphins neglected the run game in the off-season. Less from a personnel standpoint than from a coaching and repetition standpoint.

 

I think you're on to the meat of it there. I'd already forgotten how much they moved the line around in the pre-season, trying bunches of combinations. Hard to expect consistency like that I'd assume.

I just hope we get at least reliable forward progress on runs this week, and Cleveland shuts down their opponents on the run for a while. I'd feel a whole lot better.

The pass pro was just like most of us expected...took a while to get going.

 

Has given us a OL that has sitting...1-0

W's and L's folks..all that matters.

 

As I've said many times, other than not waiting for Louis to heal, I don't have any issues with the steps taken with the OL this off-season.

 

Given the chance to actually be constructive, this is the response? Come on 72. You're an intelligent guy. YOu must have some opinions on where you'd like to see us go from here with OL moves.

 

If this is the case, and I am not sure it is (at least not fully), then the question would become "How much ground can coaches make up by focusing on the run game now?".

Also, if Tannehill's progression is in large part because of the time and focus they gave our passing attack, I think that's more important than our running game to our long term future... in terms of how practice time was spent before the season. Now we may need to play some catch up with the running game

Also, the revolving door at RG hurt us. By late in the preseason we were still trying to sort out who fit best there rather than moving to the next level of Oline practice reps and more advanced stuff for them.

 

For how many people excoriate Ireland and caterwaul about the O-line on a minute-to-second basis here, I am frankly amazed (but shouldn't be) that when someone says "Well, what would YOUR answer be?" we get....

[video=youtube;19uYDDndvsM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19uYDDndvsM[/video]

 

I would have signed Vollmer for sure, Geoff Schwartz as well, he's a big upgrade at RG that we could've signed for dirt cheap.

 

To answer the question... I am not terribly confident that BOTH CLabo and Martin will be starting for us next year. Clabo due to his body holding up. Martin because I want to see if he progresses this year. If he does not, I'd rather he become a backup.

RG is the real concern for now.

I agree with Raf, and I said it a month ago, that Lewis needs to be re-examined once healthy. One advantage (maybe on purpose) of having brought hi in for camp, then cut him is that he knows our playbook and there would be much less lead time inserting him into our lineup if we signed him. That's one thing.

In the draft and free agency, depending on how Martin/Clabo played out I'd be looking for either a LT or RT. I think we also have to factor Dallas Thomas' development into this. How much will he progress by the end of this season? If it's a noticeable improvement, then you'd hope that an additional offseason and training camp may may him viable at guard. The thing is, I'd rather see him adapt to RG than move Incognito. Thomas next to Martin.. no thanks.

SO I'd, at the very least, want to bring in a RG prospect next season.

Between free agency and the draft, brining in a RG and either a LT/RT is not an impossible task. What's annoying is that it's exactly where we were six months ago.

 

Agreed on Vollmer, but we don't know:

1) The salary Vollmer would have wanted to play in Miami, specifically
2) If he was willing to play in Miami, specifically

 

Ireland has drafted or signed enough OL .He has just missed on most of them .:pity:

 

I would still like to have a look at Reid Fragel, too.

 

How much money do you get to spend with this responsibility?

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Honestly I wouldn't be surprised to see the OL completely rebuilt in the offseason (save for one guy), especially if we bring in a new GM, Incognito, Jerry, Clabo are all free agents, Martin could easily be replaced with an upgrade, Pouncey could have 4 new guys in the trenches with him next year.

 

The amount you can fit in a clear plastic bag with a Dolphins logo.

 

My Nightmare: Jeff Ireland plans to let Incognito go and have Dallas Thomas (his 'replacement') man the left side with Martin.

I wake up after hearing us drafting a new rookie QB in 2015 hoping he can be our future.

 

I'm not sure I agree with either of those statements. While many may not be great hits, there's really only one miss IMO. The only OL he clearly missed on was Shawn Murphy (edit: and I'm not saying Ireland couldn't have made better OL selections at the same spots). The only other OL who has been a "miss" was 6th rounder Andrew Gardener, but he is still in the league as a backup for the Houston Texans 5 yrs later. Jake Long is a multiple time all-pro even if he signed elsewhere, and Mike Pouncey should be a multiple pro-bowler if it was actually awarded on merit. Donald Thomas clearly wasn't a miss since he's started so many NFL games despite being taken in the 6th round. While perhaps not a clear hit, John Jerry isn't something I'd call a miss either (at least not yet). Martin and Thomas are still under evaluation.

 

Do not agree. While he can be upgraded, it is not something I would say could be done easily unless you ignore the resource allocation aspect of such a move. Even outside of that, most alternatives to Martin are not upgrades IMO (a reflection of the difficulty in finding a good LT, not necessarily me thinking Martin is so good).

 

We need to include Satele, unless we blame the coaches for not using or developing him properly leading to him leaving. And Free Agents like Smiley and Groves and Columbo.

I mean, more misses than hits. Donald Thomas is debatable.

 

If Joe Toledo available? Oh wait, he was hurt in a harmonica accident.

 

Ireland did not draft Satele or Toledo.

And Grove, Smiley, and Columbo aren't draft picks, so why would I have included them when arguing he hasn't missed on most his drafted OL?

Edit: my bad, when I first quoted Crunch I was sure it only said drafted.

 

Agree. In the draft, he took a defensive end/linebacker tweener who has a way to go, both in terms of injury recovery and getting used to NFL play, before he can hope to be an every down player. In other words, he moved up to take a luxury pick for the future of our strongest unit when he should have addressed a glaring, immediate need at offensive tackle for the present of our weakest unit. I'm sorry, but that's what a freaking moron does.

In free agency, he didn't pay big money to available free agents despite the fact that the line clearly sucked. He went with what he hoped would happen (improvement in Martin, Jerry showing up in shape, Clabo being able to do the job at right tackle) instead of making something happen by paying first rate people. Another moron move.

All that can be done now is coach the bejeezus out of the people we have and hope they get it. Otherwise it's wait till next year again.

 

Who should he have paid big money to?

And Jerry did show up in shape.

 

What clay isn't being molded?

Martin has improved. Jerry has been injured but showed up in shape. This is the very beginning of the second year in developing the roster. progress has been made so far.

Jerry's injury threw a monkey wrench into the works during camp. We had to find the right way to fill his spot. While its true we don't have a lot of depth, its more of a factor of regime change than anything else.

 

Not saying they'd have been better picks than what we ended up with, but I'd have taken David Bakhtiari instead of Dallas Thomas and David Quessenberry instead of Gillislee. Those are OL changes I'd have done this past year in regards to the draft. I thought Clabo was a good veteran signing, and I'd probably have done the same. I'd like to have signed Louis Vasquez too at G (if Garner were a FA this past offseason, I would not have extended him).


I'm sure some people would criticize me (if I were GM) if that actually happened though, because that'd be a good chunk of resources towards the OL.

 

Again, I'm not even trying to say Ireland has been very good at talent evaluation (his FA signings on face value do seem to be lacking historically overall), just that he isn't as bad as many make him out to be.

I do think we have had some problems with development here though. I don't want to put it all on the coaches (I'm sure individual player's should share some of the blame as well), but it isn't all on Ireland either IMO.

 

Serious answer: Honestly, I'd focus on guard and LT. Stick to depth at first, but put more emphasis on starter quality players depending on the performance of John Jerry and Jon Martin.

Ridiculous answer: Sign Colossus, The Juggernaut, and The Incredible Hulk.