I think hes worth it. He was quiet in the first quarter but woke up later. If he can stay healthy, he has A LOT of potential but thats a big IF.

 

Well after watching the game I wasnt really impressed by either Dorsey or gholston. Neither really did that much (Dorsey got a sack but on that play he didnt even get blocked). Maybe Im being harsh but I expect more from the 1st overall pick and I expect something special and I didnt see that tonight. Also neither did much against high profile players which they are going to see on a every game basis in the NFL where as they may not play against the top players every week playing in college.

 

injury prone? hes missed 1 game in his entire football career. He was also injured on what had to be the most blatant chop block ever, i don't know how he didn't break something on that play, look it up on youtube, it should be there
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thats it right there

 

Yeah, he was double and triple teamed all night. THis guy is a player and seems to have that it factor that translates well in the nfl. He also seems like a great guy. I wouldn't mind at all taking him number 1.
Love that fact that LSU won and its not Nick Saban holding up that trophy too!

 

Yes, Dorsey is clearly worth the #1 overall pick. He'll be a monster in the NFL.

But can we dispose of this "injury-prone" myth? The guy played hurt this year due to an illegal chop block and also suffered a lower back strain. He came back into the same game he was chop blocked in and blew up the Auburn offense. He played hurt this year and won the friggin' Bronko Nagurski trophy, the award for the best defensive player in the country.

Think about that. He was hurt and beat out James Laurinaitis, Chris Long, and Vernon Gholston for the award.

Absolutely worth the #1 overall pick. We take him and our run defense takes a massive leap forward to dominance again.

 

Yea its either we make it look like we want MF at #1 to trade down or we straight out take Dorsey. Also Paul Smith QB in the 6-7th round would be a nice pick up, the kid needs to gain about 20lbs and he should be good, his accuracy this past season is about 65%, he would obviously be a project but a good 1 none the less i.e. Romo.
Not withstanding we dont swing a deal for M Ryan of course

 

Dorsey definitely had the better game. I know someone mentioned he wasnt even blocked on his sack but that was not the case. He shifted around his block and got through untouched which should be a credit to his quickness, it definitely wasnt a gimme. I am not on the Dorsey bandwagon but im slowly changing my mind. If he can pack on a little more weight and keep his quickness and endurance i would not be disappointed with him at #1. Im still rooting for Gholston though. He may not have had an outstanding game but he pressured the qb a few times and his overall (osu) record tying body of work this season only compliments his freak ability.

 

the lower back strain doesn't scare you guys? i like him at #1, just concerned about how his back will hold up.

 

I dont buy that going against 'high profile' players comment. Dorsey plays in the SEC, the conference with the most talent in college football by a large margin. As for Gholston I think he proved his worth against NFL caliber talent when he owned Jake Long, who's regarded as the top tackle in college football.

 

hes already 100%, he had 6 tackles,1sack and a FF tonight.

 

These are injury's he could recover completely from, and he's young with a tremendouse amount of potential to be consistent. He reminds me of a young Sapp...

 

yeah, he's a beast, i saw the game tonight. i just worry about the long term. could these be a reoccurring thing with him?

 

i dont think so. As others stated, the injury he did get was illegal and unsportsmanlike.

 

Which has 0 bering on it being a potential long term problem. Doesnt matter HOW your injured, just that you ARE injured.
Not saying at all that I think this will be an issue, just saying it doesnt matter how he got hurt.

Laurentaitis had a big game, BCS mark for tackles didnt he? How many of you wanted Willis last year? This guy could be just as good, maybe better.

 

I don't think drafting a DT with the #1 overall pick is really worth it. In fact, almost all DT's selected in the top 5 don't pan out. Teams do take note. The last DT drafted #1 overall was Dan Wilkinson. Remember him? If we were running a 4-3, fine. But I have my doubts as to whether Dorsey can be an effective run-stuffing NT (which is what we need).

 

It absolutely matters how he got hurt, for two reasons:

One, the fact that the only injuries he's sustained in college football have come from intentionally malicious actions on the part of an opposing team--actions that took him out only for part of the same game!--highlights the man's durability. "Dorsey is injury-prone" is a myth borne of ignorance.

Two, the injuries he sustained didn't even take him fully out of the same game he sustained them in. He was chop-blocked against Auburn: he came back in against Auburn later in the game and wreaked havoc on them.

I don't know how you look at the man's play this year and think he has potential long-term problems as a result of his getting chop-blocked. He doesn't. He's proven it every single week since the Auburn game.

Are you kidding me? Laurinaitis sucked out there. He looked nothing like the star he was supposed to be tonight. He was invisible for a good chunk of the game, even blowing goal-line coverage that led to a short touchdown pass.

OSU lost that game just as much as LSU won it. Gholston beat LSU's right tackle all night and got nothing but frustration to show for it, Laurinaitis disappeared, and the offense was bottled up by solid defensive efforts on LSU's part.

Gholston and Laurinaitis had better hope scouts don't weigh this game too heavily. Gholston was a top five pick and Laurinaitis a top ten pick coming into tonight.

 

Really getting tired of this.

At #1, you draft the best player available that fills as many of your needs as possible. JaMarcus Russell was not the best player available last year, but he went #1 anyway because Oakland had a bigger void at QB than we do. Dorsey fits that mold: he'll instantly shore up the run defense, help in calling coverages (because Channing and Jason Allen can't do it worth a damn), and he brings a unique ability to rush the passer from the center.

Stop looking at him as "just a defensive tackle." Better yet, start looking at him period. There is absolutely no parallel between Glenn Dorsey and Dan Wilkinson. None. Besides, if stopping the run in the NFL is absolutely critical to winning, doesn't that alone justify drafting someone who can absolutely do that and more?

The only positions I would ever discriminate against at #1 overall are fullback, center, guard, right tackle, and safety. Everything else is fair game: DT, DE, LB, CB, WR, QB, RB.

 

I think we went over this ad nauseum yesterday. Dorsey has never had a lower back strain. The lower back injury he did have was a bruised tailbone which is technically part of your back. In terms of the actual back Dorsey has never had an injury.

 

Thank you.

 

I was impressed with Dorsey last night, although he didn't get a TON of penetration, he still managed to get his hands on the running back plenty of times by controlling his blocker, being able to control your blocker is huge. Too many times though he got sealed off by his teammates leaving him with nothing to work with. Great play by Ohio State to do that. Do we spend our pick on him? I don't know. I think we need to find out what scheme we're going to run and then go from there.

 

He didn't get blocked because he went around two blockers. He went right by his man off the line, and when the lineman next to the first (center I believe) saw he was untouched, tried to slide over and still didn't get him.

So yeah he was unblocked. They weren't fast enough.

 

If we can trade down for extra picks, I am all for it. There is no one guy in college football who you can say is the BEST, or a dominant force that you just have to have. You can probably get just as good a player at the # 8 spot or lower as you could at the # 1 spot. Hopefully the Tuna can make a nice trade down. I would be willing to deal our first overall to Dallas for both of their # 1's, if they also threw in a solid starter or two (Barber, one of their d-backs, etc.)

 

yes we had very little of that this year

Rod Wright was pretty good

Roth needs to move inside

Holliday is nice but didn't play alot

Solai was awful

Moses needs to bulk up a little

too bad Dorsey is our best choice, I think a franchise QB/LT/DE is a better value than a franchise DT

 

I could care less if you were tired of it. If you don't want to discuss it or think you're tired of discussing it, then don't. I'm an open guy and I'm willing to present my points and discuss things. So here's discussion. One can debate whether Russell was the best player available and the Raiders certainly thought he was. I just consider Dorsey, though still has talent, to be a bit overrated. His lack of height and wingspan will lessen his ability to play against professional talent and especially bigger C's and guards as well as in a 3-4. I don't know what Dorsey's weight is but if it's 300 or below, then he certainly won't fit the prototypical mold of a 3-4 NT. Can he then be moved to a 3-4 end? Possibly but then I'd go with Chris Long. And if Parcells and Ireland are looking for big and tall players, Dorsey isn't it. I'm just not sure if taking a guy and playing him in a spot where he won't be able to play to his strengths with a top pick is worth it. I think Dorsey is worth top 3 for a team using a 4-3, but not in a 3-4 defense.

 

whoever just pimped Little Animal; he might have had 18 tackles but they were the quietest 18 tackles someone would ever make. He's a good player, but when he's not able to just shoot through the line and attack, he struggles. He also cannot get off the block to save his life, and is pretty lackluster in coverage (most of the ints he got last year were gimmes)

I thought Dorsey did very well. First two drives looked average, then started to get pressure (and was constantly getting his hands on Beanie Wels although he wasn't getting tackles). As soon as OSU started doubling Dorsey the other D-Linemen went to work for OSU.

 

You misunderstood. People seemed to be implying that because it was a malicious hit, it didnt count. I was just saying that it didnt matter if it was malicious or not in terms of impact on his health-bottom line is he was hurt.
I do not consider him a long term health risk. Im not sure where you got that from. Right now I think he will be our pick, and im happy for it because of the reasons you pointed out in another post. Having a pass rushing DT who stuffs the run is huge and applies fixes to TWO huge areas of need with one player. Hard to get more valuable than that for your #1
. I think the issue is that a DT just isnt a sexy pick. Everyone loves the QBs, the RBs etc. But a meaty DT guy? Most people seem to be under the impression they just stand there trying to take up space (and some actually do). Dorsey is dimensions beyond that though. Disruptive, forcing accountability and awareness, dedication of extra blockers. Really the list goes on.

 

Most people who consider Dorsey injury-prone do so by disregarding the circumstances of his injury. Therefore, it's important to continually re-iterate that he was injured intentionally, and that intentional injury was the only time in college football he's been hurt, so the idea that Dorsey is prone to being hurt evaporates.

Meanwhile, there's minimal if no impact on his overall health, because he was the best defensive player in the country this year while playing hurt. He had a month off to recover and looked very good last night. He'll have over half a year now to rest, heal, and prepare for the NFL season in 2008.

The chop block didn't even have short-term effects on his health. There won't be any long-term effects.

Bingo. Well-stated.

Heavily disagreed. Dorsey can indeed play 3-4 NT, he can play 3-4 DE, or a 4-3 tackle. He's going to add weight when playing in the NFL regardless, so the question is how much weight he can add while still retaining his ability to rush the passer.

Dorsey as an NT would not be a typical "big fat guy" NT ala Keith Traylor. He wouldn't need to be. He's a brick wall when it comes to stopping the run at far lesser weight than NTs like Traylor and Washington. There's no reason to think Dorsey won't be an effective nose tackle in the NFL, unless you're in the habit of fitting player into prototypical physical roles and discarding them if they don't fit--in which case, you'd never have MLB Zach Thomas on your team.

The question at this point is not "Does Glenn Dorsey fit on the Miami Dolphins 3-4 defense for 2008 and beyond?" The question is, "Is Glenn Dorsey talented enough to overcome Bill Parcells' likely desire to draft Chris Long?"

 

Dead on the money. :up:

 

i think he would be a good pick up

 

i really like Rod Wright and Moses i think they are going to be great players

 

Dorsey is not a good pick, he is a GREAT pick. We were dead last, 32 out of 32, in the NFL against the run. What is Glenn Dorsey the best at? Stopping the run. He plays with superb leverage and short field quickness so he is not pushed back. I know it is not sexy, but wouldn't it be great to see our defense actually still at the original line of scrimmage on a running play for once in the 4th quarter, instead of having the runner hit the line of scrimmage 4 yards down the field?

That is why we should take Dorsey at #1 IMO.

 

That is indeed the question I'm not sure about. If he can't build the size and keep what makes him what he is, he might not be worth it. I don't doubt his ability to be a great 4-3 DT, less so for 3-4 DE.

He can be a brick wall in college but that's not necessarily true in the pros.

As for prototypical physical roles of NT,

Parcells most recently drafted DT Montavious Stanley from Louisville in 2006, who was 321 lbs coming out of college according to scout.com (he has since lost weight).

From what I gather, Parcells will look into the prototypical standard for new players and keep older players who still perform despite not fitting the mold (i.e. Dat Nguyen, another undersized MLB was a mainstay for Parcells).

 

The manner in which he presents himself as a brick wall is translatable to the NFL.

I'm convinced you haven't seen Dorsey very much throughout his college career.

Parcells has already made several demonstrably false statements in that press conference. As far as I'm concerned, everything he said then is unreliable as a standard of proof.

 

I doubt that, not with his below-average height and wingspan. I saw the Arkansas-LSU game, the Kentucky-LSU game, and the 1st/2nd quarter of the LSU-Ohio State game up until where Ohio State led 10-3 (I guess I'm sort of an unlucky charm for LSU because they seem to lose when I watch). As well as some highlight reels here and there. Those were enough for me. I mostly watch Pac-10.

 

So you do admit that you haven't seen much of Dorsey. That explains it. I find that most people who cast him as "just a defensive tackle," meaning you and padre31, haven't seen the guy play very much.

Dorsey is worthy of being taken #1 overall. He just needs to trump what is a very likely desire on the part of Parcells and Ireland to take Chris Long.

 

I've seen enough of Dorsey in the games I saw as well as the "highlight" reels on youtube. Anything more and I'd have to be a professional scout or an LSU fan. I'm pretty sure I've seen him more than most of his supporters as well. So no, I do not admit that.

 

I'm a Dorsey supporter and have seen him in every game this year that's been televised in my area--which is quite a bit. The guy's absolutely deserving of every accolade heaped on him. He's the Shaquille O'Neal of the defensive line: he's a huge guy with unbelievable agility.

 

May be your point of view but mine is that he's a good defensive tackle but nothing so special that he deserves all the lavish hype. You have your opinion which you won't change and same for me. Maybe I just have the outsiders viewpoint because someone from my vantage point would think Sedrick Ellis is all that.

 

Couldn't agree more. I've seen him 10/12 times at least over the past two seasons. What an impressive, impressive player.