Another poll Shou?

Anyway, my mind could be changed, but it's unlikely. Even if we won 8 games this season my overall impression of the talent level of the team wouldn't change.

I just think next off season is too important to leave it to Ireland if you're not completely sold. But if Ross keeps him and he knocks it out of the park and we become a yearly playoff team then I'll be happy to have been wrong and will gladly give credit where it's due

 

Yes, absolutely my mind could change. Things that would change my mind:

-Trading away future picks for players
-Spending too much to sign FAs that aren't already on this team
-Missing on Tannehill
-Missing on Philbin

 

Yes, my mind could change on Jeff Ireland. I'm "queasy", to borrow from Joe Philbin, on if Jeff Ireland would be around long enough to change my mind. There's too many question marks going back to when Bill Parcells was here. One of those drafts, the 2008 class, only has one player remaining from it. Of the skill position players Jeff Ireland's brought in, none of them are impact players. A lot of his players have been cut or moved on for various reasons other than injury, which leads me to question his "makeup" he talks so much about. Does he misread certain players - Vontae Davis, Phillip Merling, Brandon Marshall, etc?

His two solo drafts, 2011 and this year's class, have already seen two more skill players - Clyde Gates and B.J. Cunningham - get the ax. Daniel Thomas isn't exactly all that inspiring and hasn't been since his first two games in 2011. Given the holes Miami has tried to address since this front office came in in 2008, I find it troubling that they are still needs at pass-rusher, CB, S, and WR. Ireland also sought out multiple 2nd opinions on Ryan Tannehill, despite having a coach with experience developing quarterbacks, Joe Philbin, and Tannehill's college coach, Sherman, on his staff. That's telling in my opinion. Given Ireland's record of signing and/or drafting those players, I wouldn't trust him much farther than I could throw him when it comes to acquiring those positions next offseason. Granted, if a new GM is brought in, you're essentially trusting the devil you don't know as opposed to the devil you do know. Sometimes the devil you don't know is better though.

For my money, if I were Steve Ross, I'd review this season very carefully and meet with Philbin and Ireland, separately, and see what they have to say about working with each other moving forward. In my opinion, sometimes in Hard Knocks it looked like they were very much on the same page in terms of personnel decisions. Other times, Philbin was silent as Ireland would talk about a player. Given Philbin's personality, I think that's telling as well. I think that decision would be have to be based on those conversations, and how the team performs this year. I think it's too early to tell if it's an issue of talent or coaching. But that will come in due course.

 

Negative Ireland thread:

"Another Ireland thread?"
"You're beating a dead Horse!!!"
":deadhorse:"

"RANT FORUM"


Positive Ireland thread:

57 fist pumps

 

Honestly, I wish everyone would stop talking about Ireland. Even non Ireland threads turn into threads about him. Seriously the Jeff Ireland circle jerk that this board partakes in has severely ruined its (the board's) quality.

 

Hopefully the Ireland will brigade will vote. They seem just as entrenched as we do

 

Just win

He hits on Thigpen/Armstrong/Miller and all will be good.

 

If, at the end of the year, we see solid impact (and not just Tannehill) from the past few drafts and if we see some other players like Misi, Jerry, Odrick, Smith, etc. step their games up and show that perhaps they weren't being developed properly in one form or another, then I'll certainly give Jeff more of a benefit of the doubt.

 

I think there is a bandwagon reaction after a big win which is exagerated just as the negative reaction is exagerated after a series of losses.

 

I just voted yes....and I am anti-Irish...

**mindblown**

 

Lol, the Op got 0 fist pumps by the time your post was made. That's funny.

 

If the Dolphins finish above 500 this season, I would certainly have no problem with Ireland remaining as the teams GM. To me it all about wins and losses. My problem with Ireland has been the teams record over the past three seasons. If the Dolphins can turn it around and win nine games or more this season. He would certainly deserve much of the credit for the Dolphins success. Just as he would deserve much of the blame if the Dolphins once again finish below 500.

 

Of course. What a ridiculous question.

 

People aren't three dimensional, they're four dimensional. Everyone can learn from past mistakes. I thought Jeff even took a step forward in that regard with some of the things he did this off season, particularly in the Draft. But then he's also done some things that scream to me, same old Ireland. And there's something to be said for not owing him the patience to go through a decade of learning curve figuring out how to be a good GM while everyone's hard earned money is on the line the entire time.

 

I don't like Ireland, but yes, he could change my mind. Hell, he could change my mind just by managing to sign a big-name free agent.

 

Why not? I've already changed my mind once about the man so I could surely do it again.

I used to support him but lost faith the last season or so.....

So prove me wrong Jeffy! I dare you

 

He's already done that before and will most likely do it again next off season.

 

Exactly. It's akin to asking "are you a close-minded moron, please state 'yes' or 'no' at the above poll, thank you".

 

And yet some people have still voted "no"

 

I'm not sure I can reply to that comment without being in violation of the TOS. Suffice to say, I find it a ridiculous question. It's like asking "should negroes be banned from all public schools." Obviously, there'd be some people who would vote yes, but it still wouldn't make the question any more legit.

 

People still use that term in this day and age?

 

There's a reason I put it in quotation marks. And yes, some people still do ...

 

I think he meant a GOOD signing.

As far as changing my opinion, seeing guys like Lamar Miller shine in action and Jon Martin actually play decent are good signs.

 

That's fine that you see it as a question with a clear cut answer, but obviously there are others that don't (or see it as clear cut in the opposite way). I see it the way you do, but without putting words or motives into Shou's mouth, I think the poll was designed to show that there are some people who are just so entrenched in their view of Ireland that they admit nothing could make them change their mind. I suspect that a significant portion of the people that said they might change their mind are not really being honest about it, they are just aware of how crazy it is to admit that nothing could change their mind.

 

I think these threads are good to have, we're monitoring the situation on our team, and his position and our direction are linked, we need to look for weakness and voice our opinion, and if we do see it, and it's conclusive, voice that opinion loud so we can try to create change..

I judge the man based on talent evaluation, variables inherited when taking the position, character, common sense ( on the side of Parcells buying the groceries.) and when I know he was fully in charge of his players and coaches.

I think by the end of the season, we'll have a grasp on upsides of the players he acquired and the coach he and Ross hired, if Philbin flashes something special, like shutting the fu&$ out of the entire national media with a tough minded disciplined team that plays 100 percent, we need to give some credit there, if his players show us something, good or bad we put it into perspective then..

Right now I'm neutral, not for him yet, because he doesn't pick the players I want in the draft, so that's just natural skepticism, not against it totally, because I think he's a tough minded hard working person, who inherited an unfair set of variables relative to his position, have read and heard some good things, and I wanna give him two full years to see what he does on his own.

So my mind can change at any moment..keeping eyes on Philbin, Pouncey, Lamar, THomas, Thigpen, Shelby, Olivier,Matthews, Martin, Wilson, Clay, Bush, til the end of the year..make that decision then.

The toughest thing to figure out is how much Power does Philbin have with Ross.

 

I am wondering what Ireland's drafts would have been like if Philbin would have been here the last 3 years instead of Sparano. Do we really know how good they were, since it depends on how they are coached as to whether they make it in the league or not? Of course, I am also believing Philbin is a real COACH.

 

My position is currently nuetral but I voted because my position was first negative, then nuetral. I'll let anyone know if it ever goes back to negative or becomes positive.

 

Of course. Only a fool would choose no.

If we have 13 more games like the one this past weekend who would say he's done a horrible job?

 

The poll is public. There is no need to ask that question.

 

Sho is doing a season long Psycho analysis on Phins.com members.

 

I can't speak to anybody who chose "no", but my guess would be they are so used to "Yay or Nay" on Ireland polls, they just voted "no".

Anybody on either side of the Ireland debate should be willing to change their mind. Nothing is written in stone yet.

 

No 1 win isn't changing my mind. Ireland needs to go. I don't want him anywhere near our team when FA and the draft rolls around.

 

I voted no because the WR situation is abysmal and the DB unit is a close 2nd.

It just seems to me that a team looking to win in a passing league would put more resources into those units.

 

As I just stated in another thread Ireland is finally doing what I want by replacing someone immediately after getting rid of someone. That's what just happened with Baker and Fluella and its what he failed to do with BM and VD. So now I am leaning more positive! Even if Fluella turns out to be a mistake, I see things like this as "positive" just for trying!