So everyone is assuming that Rosen isn’t the future based on our fire sale and the starting of Ryan Fitzpatrick and to be honest it might be true, or maybe just maybe the coaching staff took a hard look at this team and said we’re 3-4 years away based on what we got and decided that the veterans they let go aside from Tunsil would be making too much money or up for major extension bu the time the team would be in contention and decided to just build through the draft like all good teams do.
That said with no left tackle and a poor offensive line put Rosen out there this year would do no good. He could get hurt and learn bad habits running for his life. What wrong with sitting him for a year let him see the game from a different perspective and probably get into the game this year for some experience.
sign a stud LT next offseason and built the line stack with draft picks and let him progress with some good young talent? We can draft a QB next year as well but Rosen will be in the mix as starter and tua or anyone else can ride the bench and take the position away from Rosen.
I just think the front office has decided no rush
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I appreciate the alternative viewpoint, but I don’t think there is any front office or coaching staff that has been given the green light to “take their time,” such that they believe they have a franchise quarterback, which is the key ingredient in winning in today’s NFL, and nonetheless sit him on the bench and make a large number of personnel moves that indicate they have no intention of winning in the near future.
If you believe you have a franchise quarterback, you go ahead and play him and start winning, rather than appearing to rebuild at best or tank at worst.DolphinGreg, texanphinatic and Mexphin like this. -
You dont "play him and start winning" if you have a franchise quarterback but virtually no other pieces in place (and this was the case long before Tunsil was traded). This regime obviously has the leash to take their time, this is a long-term systematic strategic plan. Rosen will undoubtedly be part of that either as the main man in Miami for years or as one who will offer considerable competition to any new QB brought in/drafted. The actual fact is that with the right pieces put into place, Rosen will dispatch of Tua/Hebert/Fromm quite easily, he is easily as talented or more than any of them.
Flores clearly likes Rosen and sees his talent but he is also going to protect him as well as push and test him in ways he has never experienced. Nothing the Fins have done recently indicates whatsoever that they do not value Rosen. He is an elite 1st round QB talent acquired for relative peanuts - he will be given every shot and opportunity to establish himself as a tier-1 guy in Miami. He may not succeed or may even be beat out at some point (he obviously wasnt by Fitz, there is much more to this decision than what is on face value), but this regime liked him enough to acquire him, they see his clear talent, and they know if they get this kids head right and perhaps stoke his coals some, they are dealing with a transcendent type player. Anyone who simply paints the trading of Tunsil as some type of indication of Rosen's "not being the guy" is really taking a simpleton approach. They didnt want to move Tunsil, but sometimes in business you take an offer you cant refuse - as no NFL GM would turn down what they got for a pretty good LT and a dip**** like Stills. Just because you sell your house for $500K above market value doesn't mean you have decided to ****-can your BMW in the garage because you have to find a new place to put your car. Rosen is 100% in the mix and will be given EVERY chance to develop into the Alpha role over the next 12-18 months. Thgere is NO rush here anymore, a new paradigm has begun. Sit back, light a cigar, take a nap, read War and Peace, and do not try to decipher every move this regime makes with old-fashioned perspectives and incomplete information. Enjoy Rosen's development, you finally have a big time talent at QB, now it is up to him. -
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I'm saying that if losing these players hasn't really affected the win predictions, then those guys weren't helping to win games in the predictors minds. I mean, you painted a picture there where you basically described the 90s Cowboys like Rosen had that around him potentially.
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Just using this thread to make my remarks, but is it me or does it feel like every thread is becoming the same old tired merry-go-round conversation?
I was literally about to comment about the importance of a solid OL when it occurred to me, “how many times have I said the exact same thing about the exact same topic?”
There’s only so many times you can go round and round before the ride gets boring.
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As a new Phan, I find it quite puzzling that so many here have chosen the "tank for tua" pathway without even giving Rosen a chance. Perhaps because Miami has had a long string of failed QBs since Marino and fans are "trigger happy" to move on to the next QB at the slightest bump in the road?
As BCM stated, Rosen has elite skills & intellect but, before Miami, was never taught how to read a defense including UCLA & AZ. That he far outplayed a highly intelligent veteran in pre-season speaks to how quickly Rosen has progressed. He also has stated Fitz is the best mentor he's ever had speaks to his humility.
So to this new Phan, it appears "Plan A" is to use the new draft picks to build a championship team around Rosen and his elite skills.
As an aside...I find many of the beat writers - paper & internet - to exhibit this "trigger happy" bias in their pseudo-reporting while lacking facts to substantiate their opinions. One internet "reporter" has been jumping from Tua to the QB at Utah to yet another QB - all in the past week or so.resnor, BitcoinMillionaire and Irishman like this. -
I don’t think the team has given up on Rosen. It’s up to him on how we proceed. If Tua is there we still may draft him, but that doesn’t mean Rosen will not have an opportunity to beat him out. He should look at this as an opportunity to prove the doubters wrong.
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Now we’re beginning to do the same thing with someone who isn’t even playing, who was traded from his first team in favor of a different quarterback, and whose current team is acting like it has no intention of winning anytime soon.
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Also remember that any belief regarding the Dolphins’ ineptitude necessarily considers the inadequacy of the personnel at the quarterback position, the most important position on the field, and which includes Rosen.
It’s as if you’re touting the widespread belief in the team’s ineptitude to support your point, but somehow divorcing Rosen and the quarterback position from that belief. Somehow Rosen is a star, and the rest of the team is such a ball and chain on him that it places the team as a whole in the bottom 25% of the league?Last edited: Sep 3, 2019 -
Maybe the better question is, "Do we want him to develop into a franchise QB?" Of course we do! That would make all the moves we've made all the more sweet. -
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In other words, I'm telling myself he is the man until I see proof that he's not. With this line, there's simply no way that I'd put him out there in week one. I wouldn't want to start Russel Wilson behind this line to be honest, because I know he's an MVP candidate and I just don't want to lose him for 10+ years for him to try and prove himself in a meaningless game.
Because let's face it- 2019 does not matter in any way, shape or form. So why get a prospect's *** kicked when it really won't tell us much anyway? He belongs on the bench until we at least have a little line chemistry with our "starting backups."
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Dolphins offensive coordinator: Josh Rosen isn't starting because he's 'still learning the offense'
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...rting-because-hes-still-learning-the-offense/
First-year head coach Brian Flores said Rosen's preseason performance made it "harder" for him to name veteran journeyman Ryan Fitzpatrick the Dolphins' Week 1 starter, but he has also regularly downplayed the possibility of Rosen usurping his elder early in 2019.
Offensive coordinator Chad O'Shea had similar sentiments on Tuesday, telling reporters the 22-year-old trade acquisition has yet to master Miami's offense entering the season.Surfs Up 99 and The Guy like this. -
I would recommend that for every external variable to which people attribute a quarterback’s performance, they nominate another two or three in their minds that are internal to the quarterback and consider those.Last edited: Sep 4, 2019 -
To call James as "borderline" elite is ridiculous. Using salaries as an indication of anything in an inflationary league is equally dubious. By your logic Jared Goff and Dak Prescott are "borderline elite." As they will soon be the two highest paid QBs in the league. Prescott, as we know, is barely competent and Goff is just pretty good. James was not near being elite, Tunsil was closer but not there either. And stop throwing around stupidity like "they graded out," by who? Some dip****, rating service for couch potatoes? You have no idea how this new staff graded James or Tunsil in pass protection, in run blocking, in assignment recognition, in the weight room, etc etc. Unless you think Coach Flo is googling PFF grades James 2018. That is not how it works in adult level football. I would not be surprised if they thought James was a fat peice of ****, and Tunsil was a sloppy, under-strengthened lazy *** who struggled in run blocking. At the end of teh day, you have no insight into what this team thought of them. -
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I agree with @The Guy .
If the franchise truly believed that Rosen was special and had the tools to step in as the guy we'd see him starting along with Laremy Tunsil protecting his blindside.
But that's not the case. Quite the contrary. The team is stockpiling picks to draft a QB next year. They traded away their best offensive lineman to help ensure they are in place to get a QB.
That doesn't say Rosen is entirely out of the picture. I'm sure he'll get a chance to play this season. I can't recall the last time Fitzpatrick actually played a full season anyhow. He'll start playing poorly and we'll see Josh Rosen at some point maybe before the end of September. Who knows?
There are several ways in which Rosen may end up in line to start next year as well. Bottom line is Rosen will get his chance but the franchise isn't going to put all their eggs in that basket.
I mean, why on earth would they? Josh Rosen has not looked all that great in his short tenure in the NFL. By all accounts his ability to read defenses is behind schedule and he seems to put the ball in harms way on a regular basis. To me, he very much seems like a guy who is a developmental project at this point.The Guy likes this. -
At that point our confidence in the team’s ability to have its compass pointed the right direction in terms of fielding a winning team in the future would be seriously shaken.
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Taken together, that’s an awful lot of information that suggests that the team doesn’t view Rosen as anything special right now. One has to bend over backwards to think anything otherwise in my opinion. -
I'm just saying them trading Tunsil (and Stills) had nothing to do with their feelings about Rosen. They can feel super optimistic or super pessimistic about Rosen and the Tunsil deal goes down regardless, imo.resnor likes this. -
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