I said last year at the beginning of the college season that mariotta would be the first player taken in the draft if he came out, I'm pretty sure he would of given clowney a run for his money..
For some reason folks are underrating this dude..
I believe he is better than Winston and I would take him #1 next year.
I've also been on the record stating my thoughts about Winston's character and behavior, and today's crab incident doesn't disprove my hunches, maybe he's just really dumb and young, I'm good with Marcus over this dude..skillset and mentals.
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I don't even think he'd go 1st round in this year's draft.
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Man he looked good in his spring game, body looks likes it's gained 10 lbs of muscle..6'4 220, chiseled,reports are that he's the fastest player on the team..is not just a running Qb..full arsenal at your disposal.
I know we had this discussion at the beginning of last year when you said the same thing, ( I believe it was, you wouldn't touch him in the first three rounds) yet, he went on to a phenomenal season.
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Hum...he's still plenty raw, but I definitely think he'd be in the 1st rd discussion this year over some of the QBs.
He's got a fan in Lance Zierlein........Per the Rotoworld article:The Sideline View's Lance Zierlein has "no doubt" Oregon QB Marcus Mariota would have been the Texans' selection at No. 1 overall had Mariota declared for the 2014 draft.
Zierlein is a well-known media figure in Houston and has plenty of connections. He hinted on Twitter early Tuesday that he expects the Texans to draft Khalil Mack. Mariota is the (extremely) tentative favorite to be selected with the No. 1 pick in the 2015 draft. He is a more disciplined quarterback than Johnny Manziel with superior size (6'4/212), all-around athleticism, and arm strength.djphinfan likes this. -
Your characterization of me having somehow already been wrong about Mariota because I claimed before season started that I wouldn't touch him in the first three rounds and then he went on to have a great season ... is purely false.
This is just a pet peeve of mine but please if you're going to make claims about things I supposedly said...be correct. What happens is you make this claim about what I said and so now everyone reading it just takes it as correct and if it's wrong it's suddenly up to ME to either remember way back and set the record straight or to start sifting thru old posts and whatnot trying to determine what I actually said. You can imagine how that would get annoying, can't you? I mean it's like because someone else decides to make some untrue claim now I've got to go thru all this work to prove or disprove it. Very annoying. -
Could Marcus Mariota go #1 overall next year? Absolutely. Would he have this year? Highly doubtful, but truly there's no way to know.
Personally I think we need to see a lot of growth from Mariota before the NFL considers him a real quarterback prospect worth hitching your wagons to. -
The whole situation is purely hypothetical since Mariota isn't in the draft this year. I agree that he definitely has a ways to go though. I think he made a good decision to go back to college for another year, and Bortles maybe should have done the same also. Both have some tools to work with, but are plenty raw and need more refinement IMO.
Honestly, I don't think he would have went to Houston this year anyways since he doesn't seem to fit what O'Brien wants....pocket passer, with great accuracy. I'm just basing that off the last 2 QBs he's worked with (Brady & Hackenberg). I do think he would have went (hypothetically) somewhere in the 1st round this year due to his potential, because I think some teams would see a Kaepernick type clone that they could work with. -
I think Blake Bortles made the right call. He's a college graduate and he's four years out of high school. He just guided UCF through an unbelievable Cinderella season and capped it off with a stunning win over Baylor in a BCS bowl game. Things were never going to get higher or hotter for him than this year. The time was right. I don't believe him to be raw. He's been coached well. He could use further development for sure but the NFL is in a better position to give him that further development than UCF.
A lot of times when you give these guys too much time they start to nitpick your game to death and that could be exactly what is happening right now with Teddy Bridgewater.texanphinatic likes this. -
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For anyone To think that he wouldn't be a first round pick from what he has displayed in college is imo, a serious misevaluation, like by far, to think he'd be a third round pick is really off imo. -
The quote you just quoted happened after Mariota had played his final regular season game, and after he had announced he is staying in school. You insist on continuing to position the conversation as somehow happening early enough to imply my feelings on Mariota were predictive, and came to be proven wrong. For whatever reason. Maybe you're just trying to make yourself look good by comparison. I don't know. Either way I'd like you to represent me accurately if you're going to represent past things I've said. -
I'm not trying to make myself look good, you came into the thread with your statements that were the opposite mine, which is fine, I'm just stating some of the things you have said about the prospect in the past.
Your on the record stating that you thought he would be a third round pick, good luck finding anyone who has credibility not chuckling on that..
I will reiterate my stance to this year, Mariota will be the first player taken in next years draft barring injury. -
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You draft him # 1, you find a vet that can help him in his first year, don't rush him in, and your good, you own the stock.
To not take a blue chip qb prospect because he declared early is a mistake. -
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Choo calling me a liar mang? Dat wucha callin me!
I don't lie man.
What I paraphrased and remember you saying , fits to a tee what you said.( I remember you saying something about him not going in the first three rounds, and lookie here, you actually said you didn't think he would go til the third) -
That's not criticism....I simply paraphrased a conversation we had and asked you very respectfully if you would share why we were so far apart on the player.
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This is an elite Qb prospect at 20 years old..all the better.. -
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He's twice the prospect Bortles is, better prospect then cam newton, much better passer then newton, has every bit the talent from the waist below, more speed..
He was 19 years old last year..lol, and he tore college football up..he's now put on 10 more lbs of muscle, gained some speed,and is looking to do whatever's necessary to Perfect the craft, his precision in all movement on the field truly blows me away.
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It's not that I disagree with heading this direction. It's pretty clear the NFL is phasing out some of the pocket passers that could survive and thrive in yesteryear. You've still got guys that can win and be incredible players that way but those guys are sort of grandfathered in because they've been playing the game so long their depth of understanding and the thorough understanding the coaches have of them makes up for the shortfall in ability to make defenders miss. New players that play the game that way are finding the barriers to entry too hard to overcome.
But I think when change is happening and people recognize that, the quick shift in priorities can lead people to marginalize issues that are still of critical import, or to make other issues more important than they actually are.
Mariota's future may be to develop into the kind of passer that survives and thrives in the NFL. But right now, as of 2013 anyway, he was not that. -
The pro style offense is being phased out because teams have finally, finally figured out that for a successful transition of college QB to the NFL, a team must let that QB do what he did successfully in college, rather than changing that QB to fit the OC's scheme.
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Your evaluation is baffling to me, I might be wrong, but I believe he would of went top 3 this year, and will do the same this year.. -
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Right now there's not a single quarterback that is guaranteed to go Top 15 from next year's prospects, at least from my point of view... someone will surprise though and be that guy but it likely isn't any of the top 5 prospects people are talking about.. unless they make a huge jump in all facets of their skill...
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