Meh at McShey...

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I know he has a no trades policy in his mocks, but if Donald makes it to the teens, that's a trade. We have two proven 4-3 DT's, and questionable depth. In two years, I'd be fairly happy with Odrick and Donald up front.

 

I don't think it's that crazy a leap, the Dolphins appear to very much be considering drafting a wide receiver, and it appears like they could even do it with their first pick.

 

From the article:

Makes sense given that scenario. No real news here......no high caliber lineman or linebacker available....move along.

 

This is what I'm trying to explain in the other thread about strategy, we've got to face and prepare that the lineman will not be there at 19..

I don't see Keenan Allen, Keenan Allen is a physical player, like a running back after the catch, a bad ***, this kid looks like a smooth player, glider, likes to catch on the run, move him around in formation, also, really rough childhood, has seen the war zone, lived thru close deaths, and seems mentally strong.

 

If he can get back to his 2012 form, then it's a good pick. But the keyword is "IF".

 

that's a good comparison, Cruz is built thicker, so safer in that regard, but they both like to run all over the field..

 

IF not olinemen are there worth taking then we certainly should be looking WR, TE, or defense if a stud drops to us.

 

Im all for it. Lee is much faster than 4.52 and his 38' vertical tells me hes plenty athletic. Last year this kid wouldve been a top 8-10 pick based on game film alone. STUD. Im happy to wait until round two to get a an OL/OG.

 

Well hopefully that the team can get Allen. As really if they pass him up, the team may kick themsleves.

 

If we see a stud CB @ 19, I'd pull the trigger.

 

Speaking of, Robey got charged w/ a DUI in Ohio. BAC ended up being only a measly .008, but if I am going to Radio City Music Hall to hopefully get drafted in the 1st round I'm not drinking anything stronger than a Mt Dew. I'm a total Buckeye homer and that is really stupid behavior on his part.

 

McShay's draft is textbook "we're screwed" scenerio. A trade would almost have to happen there, even if you couldn't get fair value.

 

I like Lee, but not more than Ebron, Martin, Clinton-Dix, Pryor, CJ etc. Plus it's a deeeep WR class.

If Donald is there I'm pouncing. Then I'm trading Odrick b/c the only thing he has proved this past season was that he's slightly better than a J.A.G. player. I believe we've seen his ceiling plus he's still young hence trade value.

 

Kyle Fuller. Stud. Rumored to be available at the pick.

Whenever I play these draft games and a stud player doesn't fall down the board to 19, Fuller is always my BPA available at 19.

 

I'd rather invest a third or fourth for that position. Find a guy whom you can competently groom over the next year or two and then jettison older players. To date we have not had a backup defensive tackle brought up through the ranks in years. Kheeston Randall I thought would work out as he seemed to be a viable backup player. However, looking at what we currently have at the position, we need to add another body that we can groom. We don't an immediate starter, we need greater depth that we can depend on for 20 snaps a game.

As much as we would like to grab star players right now, we really need some depth on this team. We don't have enough depth at various positions to handle injuries and continue to produce. We are not a barren team by any means, but we do still need depth at certain positions. Corner, Tight End, Line Backer, Tackle, Guard, Running Back, Wide Receiver & Defensive Tackle.

I think we need an impact from players taken in the first three rounds this year. We truly do, just as much as we need more production from our draft class last year. Dion Jordan needs to produce more, and we need something from both of the corners taken last year. It doesn't mean we need them to start, but we need more than the 45 snaps Taylor logged last year I believe. We need about 400 snaps from one of them realistically just to see what we have in them.

 

The hype on corners has been quiet this draft season. I feel if OT and WR is picked clean by time 19 comes up, CB will be the pick.

 

American made Mt Dew is pure garbage. Anyone who drinks it is an blind fool. Along with drinking Powerade, Fanta Orange, Fresca, Squirt, Sun Drop and Sunkist Peach Soda. They all contain an unhealthy additive, brominated vegetable oil, that is illegal in the European Union, Japan, India, Singapore and other countries. The law against it's use in Singapore is so strict that it carries a 15 yr prison sentence. Here in the USA? No problem for the soft drink industry. Poison our citizens all in the name of profit. It's the same with many food additives allowed here too. The govt doesn't care. Maybe it will help more people die younger so they aren't drawing Social Security checks for as many years. Good for business. There are plenty of other reasons to not drink any soft drink, but for those listed BVO is the topper.

 

Will sutton in the fourth?

 

It's hard to say without seeing McShay's entire mock draft whether Lee is the best choice at 19. IF, the top 3 OL plus Martin and Moses all go before 19 someone has to fall that is valued higher. I'd consider Calvin Pryor, and Ryan Shazier ahead of Lee, just to name a couple.

 

On 90% of the draft games I've done be it first-pick.com or fanspeak.com, the best player available at pick #19 has been Kyle Fuller.

It's not ideal because between Cortland Finnegan, Jamar Taylor and Will Davis there are a lot of sunken resources into the CB position. However, were those GOOD investments? I don't necessarily think so. Dannell Ellerbe, Phil Wheeler and Koa Misi represent something akin to like $17 million per year average compensation on long term contracts. But were they GOOD investments? Not necessarily.

 

I've been picking Dennard for the past 2 days at 19 on fanspeak. I'd be OK with Gilbert and Dennard but not Fuller or Verrett. Verrett's size and Fuller's speed are concerns I am not comfortable with.

 

Kyle Fuller ran a 4.40 unofficial and 4.49 official at the Combine. There aren't speed issues there on film or in underwear.

Darqueze Dennard ran a 4.42 unofficial and 4.51 official at the Combine. I don't see how you could hold him up as a guy that's OK speed-wise whereas you think Fuller is speed deficient.

 

On footage I saw, Fuller is an exceptional tackler (for a corner) and athlete, reads great and plays zone great, but does not play as physical as Gilbert or Dennard, and does not chase well. If his issue is not speed, something else is, physicality or quickness, something is wrong that when he gets beaten he is cooked.

 

Based on the latest cap figures for 2014. The Dolphins have nearly 28 million dollars tied up in their top four wide receivers for this coming season. It really isn't cost effective for them to cut any of their top three WR's and instead use their first round draft pick to take a WR.

I agree with you that the money being spent on the LB position appears to have been a bad investment so far. I would certainly prefer a top LB prospect with the first round selection if one is still on the board, over what would probably be a 4th or 5th WR on this team in 2014.

AT the CB position, Finnegan, Taylor, and Davis might end up being a good investment because they are all relatively cheap at this time. Whether they will actually be a good investment or not will be determined by how they play during the 2014 season. Personally I have my concerns regarding all the CB's on this team except for Grimes. If it came down to the Dolphins having to pick the best CB on the board or the best WR on the board when they pick at 19. I hope they take the CB.

Of course I still feel their two biggest needs are the OL and the LB position and it is one of these positions I expect them to select with their first and second round selections. It would not surprise me if they draft 3 offensive linemen and 2 LB's during this draft. I think adding another TE and one more CB is also very possible. The Dolphins not even taking a WR in this years draft would not surprise me at all.

 

Seeing as it's a good possibility that Grimes and Finnegan are both gone by 2016, and it usually takes a few years for CBs to adjust to the NFL game, taking a highly talented prospect this draft isn't a bad idea.

 

Thanks gramps, I'll let you know if I want a diatribe on another subject.

 

Big. C drops knowledge like that all the time, I appreciate it.

 

MrC and I don't always see eye to eye on every topic discussed on this board, but I always value the knowledge he passes on in regards to not only football and the Dolphins, but also the world at large.

Personally as a gramps myself, I'm looking forward to living many more years and information like MrC imparts from time to time certainly makes me stop and think about things other than football. I am glad to know that these drinks have this particular additive in them and I'll purposely avoid them from now on.

Thanks for the info MrClean.

 

Yeah MrC you keep going.

 

Agree

 

Keep slurping it down kid. Heck, buy those 41 ounce Big Gulps they sell at places like 7-11 and Circle K. Why should I care if you effect your body's ability to absorb iodine? Only 90% of Americans are deficient in iodine. You're probably part of the 10% who are fine.

 

Saying that the gov "doesn't care" is a little misleading. BVO is a heavily regulated additive.

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WTF Mr C....why didn't I read this before I drank a damn Mt Dew this AM. Must research this BVO.

 

How is it regulated in the USA when it can be put in any soft drink or sports drink for that matter they care to add it to? IF the govt did care, BVO would be banned here. Same as in the EU and Japan who seem one step ahead of us, at least, when it comes to things like this. Don't get me started on the need for GMO labeling.

 

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