I have a feeling we are going to try to trade up for one of the top two or three tackles.

 

Doesn't this pretty much mean we are drafting a non-core position?

 

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/0ap1...-to-move-up?campaign=Twitter_writers_jeremiah


Dont think we'll move up to #4, according to the draft value chart that would cost us our 1st and both 2nd round picks.

 

Ireland should not and likely would not get criticized for drafting a tackle if one of the top-3 are available.

 

no, but he should be criticized if he moves up in the draft to take one.

 

He will be by me.

At some point even his obtuseness should learn his damn lesson and realize..those are NOT value positions.

This is actually a default to his norm, he said the same crap in 09, I truly hope this is a smoke screen.

 

I like how Ireland pretends that he's giving away a secret. Instead he's describing the basic premise of the draft: acquire a player who plays a position you need to improve at, while making sure that he grades out sufficiently well at his draft spot.

 

Screens of smoke, jibberish articles. Draft please hurry.

 

Why on earth does everyone want to draft Ted Ginn Jr. #2 otherwise know as Tavon Austin? We already tried fast and skinny, didn't work. If Ireland goes in the direction of adding speed hopefully he will have learned his lesson and draft a bigger athlete like Patterson.

 

If we're not trading up to get Milliner, we should be trading down. CB is the biggest remaining need on this team (and we need 2).

 

I'm gonna put that analysis in the ole mental Rolodex for later purposes.

 

I like how you pretend this unique to Ireland, as if he is going to lay out his entire process for us like all the other GMs do.

 

Here we go.

 

Really? Ted Ginn Jr? What a lazy, uniformed and annoying comparison. Besides being fast they're nothing alike....at all

 

Man, you went reaching for that one.

 

This is always the most amazing logic. Setting aside that you're going as deep as "fast", you do realize you don't have to get very far before you've basically eliminated a large section of the positional arch-types in the NFL?

 

TBF, that message was brought to you by the makers of the Tannehill Is Holding Back Hartline Theory.

 

Isn't A.J. Green pretty fast and skinny?

 

Yea might as well take one in the 1st, it's the only round he can find any good ones in

 

Green's pretty fast, mid 4.5s I think. I don't think you can call a guy 6'4" 207 skinny.

 

Still at it I see Chloe. My argument was resigning Hartline for $5-$6 mill per year was a fair contract for both sides. Your was it wasn't but Miami should spend a ridiculous amount on a 30 year old coming off of two injury plagued seasons.

I forget, how did this all play out again? :lol: That's right, Hartline got resigned for a little over $6 mill per year and Jennings didn't appear to be anything more than an afterthought (if that) if throwing Fort Knox at Wallace didn't work out.

It's be done, move on.

 

QUOTE=Sceeto;2032092]You must not have watched Austin bro. Other than being fast, he is nothing like Ginn and his body type is very different. He's more compact and rounded. Not as lanky as Ginn. The league is moving in that direction. Catch up. :pointlol:[/QUOTE]

I've seen the tape. The kid can fly. I was being a little facetious in comparing him to Ginn. I knew that would irk a few who appear to get upset no matter what I say. Obviously, Austin's game is much better than Ginn...of course, Ginn is the biggest ***** to put on an NFL uniform imo. I am sure Ginn wishes he could juke like Austin.

However, his body is not all that different from Ginn. Just how different can 5'9"...174 lbs be from 5'11"...180 lbs? Not much. Austin is great in space and shifty but he is not physical. In the NFL everybody is bigger and faster so we shall see if he can hold up to that level of physicality. And we are talking about the #12 pick in the draft.

Imo #12 is too high of a pick to spend on a player a little shy of a buck and 3 quarters. And if there is a player, Cordarrelle Patterson, who is nearly as fast but is 6'2"...216 lbs and can be physical after the catch he should easily be the player to pick imo if Ireland decides to head in that direction.

And I disagree with you the league is not moving in the direction of WRs that are 5'9"...174 lbs. There may be a place for them, but in a limited role to avoid taking a pounding. The league has headed to bigger WRs who can also fly....C Johnson, D Bryant, J Jones, AJ Green, M Crabtree, D Thomas, V Cruz...not a single one under 6' or 200 lbs. Of course, Percy Harvin is 184 lbs, but then he missed 7 games last year at age 24 and averaged only 102 targets a year as a Viking.

 

He should get criticized if after two OT's drafted and the ones who passed through FA, he still has to draft one. I'll take a top 12 guy in the NFL no problem. Not everyone has to star.

 

I hope so. As much as I would love for the Dolphins to draft Eifert in the first round, I believe upgrading the offensive line remains their primary need in the first round of the draft.

Martin remains a huge question mark at LT, as far as I am concerned. Right now the entire right side of the offensive line needs upgrading. The only two offensive linemen I even have a great deal of faith in are Pouncey and Incognito.

Taking an offensive lineman in the first round might not be what most Dolphin fans want to see, but it would make the most sense when you consider that without upgrades in this area, Tannehill could spend a great deal of the season picking himself up off the ground.

Upgrading the secondary is also a big area of concern for the Dolphins, but I feel the offensive line is the biggest area of need at this time.

 

Did you forget the arguments during the season where you tried to blame Hartline's lack of explosiveness and TDs and on Tannehill? Or before the season when you professed that Tannehill was the last QB we should get and he was horrible?

 

I like your straw men. They sure do burn purty.

 

Seemed like you were blasting Ireland for something all GMs do. If you weren't, then I apologize.

 

I could have sworn I heard Philbin say BPA! If we trade up for a tackle that would just piss me off, where has drafting all these high draft choice lineman got us so far? We need playmakers, lineman can wait a round or two.

 

I wasn't a. blasting Ireland b. for something all GMs do. You really need to stop being so defensive about him.

He said something in a manner that made it sound as if he were giving out some sort of nugget of valuable information, when instead he said possibly the most generic thing one could state about the draft. That's not bashing, criticism, complaining, whining, moaning, or blasting. That's eye-rolling.

 

I agree on Austin...although he's intriguing, I don't see him as a top 15 talent, mainly due to his size. Patterson has red flags galore so I don't see him as there. Will Philbin take a guy like Patterson with his flags ?? I don't think so...

I see a TE being a good shot and kill me if you want, but unless one of the top 3 OL are there, I'm sure Irish would look to trade down some and take Eiffert?? Just a thought, but I'm less and less of a fan of Austin....

If I had my druthers, I wait to see if Trufant and/or Rhodes...maybe even Hayden...could be our target at #12..

But many fans have hard-ons for Ginn, jr...er I mean Austin...

 

I apologized, you know.

And reading what you wrote it wasn't a huge leap for me to misunderstand you.

 

Yep, this ALL of it.

After spending like they did in FA, at the positions they did, I think we can all but cross Austin off our list....and that is perfectly fine with me.
I think, like you said, if one of 3 Tackles is still there, that's a prime target. IF there is 1 of those 3 left, and Trufant is still available, that HAS to be a target. I think, maybe just maybe, Eiffert is also a possibility, but the signing of Keller and of course we still have Egnew might not push that towards the top.

Lets not forget, we are also in dire need of a pass rushing demon. There will certainly be 4 or 5 guys still there that could really come in and contribute almost every set of downs defensively.

 

He said what he said. It was pretty generic, but I don't get how you inferred that he said it "in a manner that made it sound as if he were giving out some sort of nugget of valuable information." That's you jumping to a conclusion based on your views/opinions on Ireland and not on anything he actually did or said. That's eye-rolling.

 

Ginn jr. = Austin.............one of the stupidest arguments/ comparisons.......I have EVER heard, and I am OLD, so I've heard a lot of em.

 

The thing with Ted Ginn is his talent was there, it was a question of toughness and technique.

What seperated DJackson and Knox from him is they were far tougher physically, for all of the highlight film of Austin, I've yet to see anything demonstrating how tough he is physically.

Anyone can look great accelerating in the open field, let the safety lower the boom on him and then see how he responds

 

In order for that to happen, they would have to have a bead on him and hit him square.
Not impossible, but I imagine tough to do.