You missed this one. So they basically didn't think to examine his back and took his word for it that he got dizzy & stumbled because of his back. So if his back caused him to stumble, they had absolutely no idea why and let him back on the field. The Dolphins head doctor who is in orthopedics should be fired.

 

That's the NFL covering themselves for future litigation. What back injury did Tua sustain that caused him to fall? Did the team personnel determine that? That seems like an important part of the concussion protocol. Try to determine why a player had gross motor instability. Why is the NFLPA firing someone and why is the NFL changing protocols if the diagnosis was correct?

 

Get over it.

 

The NFL didn't fire the UNC. They don't care about a wrongful termination suit that the NFLPA has to endure. They care about having to pay out a settlement to players.

 

Nah, I want Twitter and talk show hosts to care for me.

 

It's all about liability.No one will ever admit anything-guilty or not.

 

It's over. The Dolphins followed protocol.

Should Tua have gone back into the game? Maybe, maybe not. It was unfortunate he got injured in the next game but I'll tell you what, if that was a successful white quarterback, he would have been praised for being a warrior and a leader. This would not be a story.

Tua is a grown man, ultimately it will be up to him to resume his playing career with a clean bill of health. If he never played another down, I wouldn't blame him. But, we will see him very shortly. He's in the building, in meetings, he has "FOMO" as McDaniels said.

Turn the page.

 

Not according to the NFL under the new protocols that's for sure:

 

Yeah, that's great. I don't care. The Patriots don't win a Super Bowl without the "Tuck Rule" either.

 

The keyword being NEW protocols. You're answering someone saying "the Dolphins followed protocols" by saying "now the protocols have changed!" And you don't understand why that's a dumb answer?

 

That’s just it - those are “new” protocols, written after this incident. They were not in place prior to, and therefore could not be followed. Hopefully this helps other players in the future.

PS. Rex Ryan needs to be punched in his ignorant mouth after his rant against McDaniel. Him and his “I treated my players like my sons” bullcrap.

 

Beat me to the first part, Rick!

 

Right, because the old protocols allowed a player to keep playing, when he should not have, which has been our point all along.

Also, what was the "neck injury" that he was reported to have suffered in the Thursday night game? Now the only thing they're talking about are the concussions.

 

Exactly. I mean this is the point that many of us have made the whole time. It's not that protocols weren't followed but that the protocols weren't good enough and allowed concussed players back on the field.

 

And, our point is nobody gave two craps about this for years and years and years. Why are the Dolphins singled out?

 

Because there were questions about Tua having a concussion coming into a nationally televised game. He then hit his head, had disturbing fencing reactions, and then was carted off in a stretcher in said nationally televised game.

 

And, you there is no medical proof that he did suffer a concussion that Sunday.

There is ZERO link that what happened on the Thursday night had anything to do with the Sunday before. The injury on the Thursday night could have happened to anyone.

Dolphins win. NFLPA loses.

 

You mean besides the NFL stating in their investigation he would have been diagnosed with a concussion and not allowed to return if these new protocols were in place? OK. If you say so.

 

This is like OSHA saying you need a certain amount of "X" to work safely, and the company you work for says, we're gonna require "XYZ" to work safely.

There will be an "NFL concussion" now and players being cleared of an actual concussion after missing the rest of the game.

 

They know it. That's why they won't say when Tua should have been permitted to return after Sunday. No reports suggest that he had a concussion in the Buffalo game and if he did, it magically dried up once the game was over. Better yet, he was evaluated several times and it was determined that he in point of fact, had not sustained a concussion on Sunday.

The NFLPA is spiking the ball about a protocol change because they don't want to admit that Tua's concussion occurred on Thursday night. Even if Tua was removed against the Bills, he likely would have been hurt on Thursday night. Some Dolphins fans would have preferred he'd been removed on Sunday so they could pin the loss on his fragility instead of his arm.

 

That body slam would have concussed him ( and many other QBs) regardless of what happened previously, IMO.

 

I think so, as well. This all started as a witch hunt where people assumed the Dolphins knew or suspected he had a concussion in Sunday's game and their reckless disregard for his safety led to his being injured on Thursday night. The NFLPA clearly took that position and demanded an investigation. The horrible site of Tua's reaction to the hit on Thursday inspired unease, outrage and knocking knees from folks who insisted he was concussed four days earlier. We all saw it, right? So it had to be the case.

Rich Eisen said it (after the fact). So did Stephen A. Smith (after the fact). So did Shannon Sharpe and Skip Bayless (after the fact). Toss in the entirety of national sports media (after the fact). Then, it turns out, he had three evaluations after the game and none showed signs of a concussion. I watched two media availability sessions after the game and he seemed fine to me. It devolved into fans and talk show hosts calling McDaniel and most people in the Dolphins' medical department uncaring monsters who put the young man at risk in order to win games.

Not one mentioned the brutal takedown on Thursday night. Not one mentioned his lucid discussions after the game and with the media on Monday. Not one mentioned how well he seemed to play after returning to the Bills game. It was always only "Tua sustained a concussion on Sunday was put at risk by the Dolphins". Now, it turns out he didn't sustain a concussion. And that the protocol was indeed followed. And that there's no reason to question his participation on Thursday. Only that the protocol should have removed him from the game on Sunday, even though that wouldn't have changed anything.

It's all smoke. After he was injured, everybody rushed to judge and figured the organization had to be held liable. As it turns out, the only change made to the protocol that matters is that he shouldn't have returned on Sunday. They're afraid to say that in this case, he was physically capable of playing and that putting him back in the game likely had no detrimental impact on his health. It's all just smoke.

 

What. Was. The. Neck. Injury. Reported. On. Thursday. Night.

Why do you guys all act like that wasn't reported?

You're all hung up on whether or not he had two concussions. I'm concerned about that, but I'm more concerned that we were told he had a neck injury, but there's not been an update on that since the Thursday game, that I've ever seen.

 

We're on to the neck now.

 

I've been asking about it since Thursday night. After the game, all anyone reported on was Tua flew home with the team, so he's fine, concussion wasn't that bad. No one has ever followed up on the reported neck injury. If there was no neck injury, then Great! I'm not worried. But there's been no correction to state that there was no neck injury, so I'm still concerned about it.

It's beyond me why you guys aren't concerned about this.

 

It was initially reported as a injury to the head and neck area. It wasn't reported he has a concussion AND a neck injury. They left it very vague. I've seen that a million times when someone has an injury in that area.

 

Head and neck injury is an injury to both areas. He was taken off the field on a stretcher.

 

Call the University of Cincinnati Medical Center and ask them. I'm sure a man with a severe concussion and neck injury wouldn't just be discharged in an hour and fly home that night.

Unless...they're in on it.

It?

I have no idea.

 

remeber something…Getting your bell rung doesnt mean you had a concussion..

Tua likely experienced the back issue and got his bell rung on the same play

 

The sports media did the same thing Fox News does: ran with flimsy speculative evidence as fact and the public by and large ate it up.

Nobody will ever know for sure if Tua was concussed during the Bills game. Anyone claiming they do, even the quacks making diagnosis based on film, are full of ****.

What we do know is that Tua was concussed vs the Bengals playing a violent game. Trying to draw a flimsy link between the 2 games and incidents is a fools errand.

 

+1 from me. All of this chatter - for as serious a matter as it is - is about more than Tua's health. It reeks of politics between the NFLPA and NFL and from the media and fan perspective, it's piling on because for some reason, Tua is a lightning rod for attention and controversy.

 

And, all of his subsequent CT scans and MRI's came back clean. You don't think they looked at his neck?

You're getting into conspiracy theory zone. You're better than that.

 

Until a concussion is diagnosed, it's described as "injury to the head and neck area". They say it in almost all incidents where a player is carted off the field until he is medically evaluated. It's general verbiage. The fact that he flew back home with the team indicates he did not sustain a serious neck injury and very well may indicate his concussion - for as frightening as it was - may not be as severe as many (including me) fear.