Pat White wasn't the runner Austin is. No comparison.

 

What if he bulked up to 190? Would you have as many concerns then?

 

That clip is sick. I remember people were happy. That is probably the most angry I've been in my life...and ashamed in a way.

 

Size is a concern but he has the speed, acceleration, agility to make defenders miss. I'm sure he will add enough weight where it wont detract from his ability.

 

That hit has nothing to do with size. Helmet to helmet hits knocks out many bigger players.

 

Yeah, the trip got him.

You want your front leg to be the shoulder you hot with. Pat white was on course to do that, and probably would have survived if he did, but timmions tripped him just enough where he had to do a quick shuffle.

After that, he had no chance against Clark.

 

How many games did Warrick Dunn miss in his career? Size wise, that's who Tavon Austin is similar to.

 

Warrick Dunn missed 11 games in 12 seasons with 2 seasons under 13 games and 10 seasons with 15 or more.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/D/DunnWa00.htm

 

Same here. I mean if you watch the clip he EASILY could have ran out of bounds to avoid getting hit, but no he goes after the defender and the two extra yards. People can give him **** for his play, but he was trying to do everything he could to help the team out.

Additionally, fans getting excited/cheering for a player getting injured is just pathetic. These guys put their health and lives on the line ever time they step onto that field.

 

... which is outstanding. Especially the 12 seasons part.

15,000 total yards and 64 touchdowns. Argue against that, Finatic.

What matters is how the player takes/absorbs hits and how many he takes. Guys like Dunn & Austin avoid a lot of this physical toll-taking contact that wears the body down over time and shortens careers; meanwhile a beast of a man like Christian Okoye had a short shelf like because he absorbed tons of hits.

 

WRONGGG, the reason is because there aren't any players his size in the NFL with his rare skill set!! It's ridiculous to compare Austin to guys who don't remotely come close to sharing his elite skill set and rare natural ability that even Todd McShay says he's NEVER seen before at Tavon's level of explosiveness paired with such a phenomenal start-stop & change of direction ability. DeSean Jackson is the closest but even he takes a backseat to Austin.

 

aaaaaaaaaaannnnnd here we go again......................


where did that pic go that was someones sig pic? Skinny.................riiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

 

Every year there is a player a group of fans fall in love with. This year it is Austin. Last year it was Weeden. Too many threads to count claiming Weeden was the most NFL ready QB in the draft. Some of the same tooting the Weeden horn or now blowing the Austin one.

Austin be a luxury pick for a team that has all the pieces of the puzzle in place. Austin, imo, will be a specialty player in the NFL. Not at all the WR type Philbin is looking for. According to him he wants WRs that can be interchangeable in where they line up and run a full route tree. That is not Autsin who made his living on slants and drags in college. He won't be able to use his speed to turn the corner in the NFL nearly as often as he did in college.

Hell, even last year he only averaged 11.3 ypc. Davon Bess gives Miami better than that.

Lol at the comparisons to Warrick Dunn. Austin is pretty solid in the upper body but comes with a pair of chicken legs which wasn't the case with Dunn. And 15 pounds or so makes a huge difference when your below a buck and three quarters.

Then factor in Miami could draft Patterson who would fit coach Philbin's model of the type of WRs he is looking for, could be a red zone threat and is a better returner and Austin would be a huge mistake imo!

 

BTW, injury didn't force Pat White out of the NFL; he quit.
Secondly, his injury was a concussion, and those certainly aren't exclusive to smaller players.

 

I would taker Patterson over Austin.

 

Jake Long.

Hurt, numerous times.

The size argument is complete bull ****.

 

People need to stop saying Pat White got hurt for him being too small, or that he did something wrong. It's asinine. He got tripped into a helmet to helmet hit.

 

Sir Isaac Newton has already proven you wrong.

I'm not saying Austin is going to get hurt, but Physics suggests otherwise. We obviously won't know till it either happens....or never does.

Obviously there are lots of factors, and plain old luck is one of them, but there is zero doubt that two guys that are put in the exact same situation, with the same energy being dispersed, the littler guy is going to take a bigger impact. No denying that law.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQR1r1KTjaE&sns=em

 

I like Austin as a prospect but his size does scare me. Plus, his size doesn't really give the power that would make me interested enough to take him at 12 like Harvin/Bailey. For smaller receivers, they have good power when running. Austin doesn't.

 

I honestly don't understand, I'm sorry.

 

Not really. If the physics were only about size, the smaller of the collision would never win, and they do.

 

That's not necessarily true at all, and you're taking it wayyyy too literally. Case in point:
a) Explain the signing of Mike Wallace and the fact Hartline was most frequently lined up on the right side last year.
b) For the most part Philbin's receivers will play where they're best suited just as they always have. That means no musical chairs. Wallace & Hartline will line up on the perimeter and our slot receiver will line up in the slot for the majority of their time b/c that's where they're strongest. A few of the perimeter guys are the ones who need to be more versatile b/c there will be occasions when they'll need to line up inside, but there should be little reason for our slot receiver to line up outside. For the minimal amount of time our slot guy will spend on the perimeter it'll be nothing that a playmaker like Austin can't handle and in fact could be a benefit to the play design to occasionally utilize Tavon on the perimeter just as the Packers found easy ways to get Randall Cobb the ball on the outside.
c) A dynamic slot receiver in Philbin's offense has a strong potential to lead the team in targets despite spending roughly 90% of his time in the slot, so for the life of me I don't understand how you can interpret that as a specialty player.

Yeah that's not remotely true. at all. At least have some integrity to your argument rather than making stuff up. Tavon won't need to use his speed to turn the corner in the NFL as if it's a staple of his game b/c he'll make his living as a legitimate slot receiver just as he already is. It seems like you have this false perception that b/c Austin was used a lot on sweeps, runs, screens, and such at WVU that that's all he can do, but that couldn't be further from the truth. All that stuff is nothing but an added element of his game which is as a legitimate WR.

That's because the sweeps he ran counted as receptions even though they were really runs. His avg jumps to over 13, which is damn good for a slot receiver.

"LOL" huh? Yeah, it's a real LOL when Dunn was 5'8 178 when he was drafted. :001_rolleyes:

You seem to not understand Philbin if you think Patterson better fit's his model for the type of receiver he's looking for. He jettisoned Clyde Gates b/c he was a neophyte as a route runner yet for some reason you think Patterson is a guy who can come in and successfully play multiple positions? Cmon man, he'd barely see the field as a rookie in our offense, and that's after getting him up to speed at ONE position. It took Jordy Nelson roughly three years to become versed at all 3 positions and he was more polished coming out of college. Tavon Austin could step into this offense from day 1 b/c he's much more polished of a route runner, already runs a diverse route tree from the slot, and already runs a few NFL caliber routes on an high level that he's as close to uncoverable on as you can get.

 

Jake Long also wasn't colliding at high speeds.

 

Not that I've seen they don't. Guys who get hit more have a greater chance of getting injured and wearing down. Trent Richardson weighs 230 but he probably has a better chance than Tavon of having an injury-plagued career and one that ends short due to injury, but that didn't stop him from being a top 5 pick.

 

My concern is less about injury and more about how in the hell do you use him. Austin is interesting but not 12.

 

As the starting slot receiver where he's already spent 4 years developing. This isn't a novice receiver. He's the most NFL ready slot receiver in this draft who already runs routes that translate quite well at the next level. He's more polished and diverse of a route runner than Randall Cobb was at Kentucky BTW. All the extra fun stuff Tavon can do is merely the cherry on the top that changes him from slot receiver to offensive Xfactor, and we've extensively seen how he can creatively be used in that role.

The better question is, how in the hell do you not use him.

 

Dave Megett held up alright no? I guess Brees and Wilson should retire now i mean they are both to short to play QB.

 

Dang Phin, I was just getting used to the idea that Miami is not going to draft Austin, now you've got me salivating about all the things he would bring to the table again.

 

And yet he still got hurt and he's a giant.

 

Statistical laws if probability suggest that ANY RB is going to get hurt more often. That's cause they are getting tackled 2-4 times as much as a WR is.

First off, I wouldnt have spent a top 5 pick on Richardson.
Second of all, since you want to compare them, how long would Austin last as a RB? Silly argument.

Once again, I know there are lots of variables, I'm just saying that IF a linebacker gets a good bead on Austin, it's going to make highlight reels. I don't care how big his heart, that linebacker can throw 170 lbs a lot farther and more violently than he can 200 lbs. That is due to physics......

 

It's the if in your statement that's the rub. Tavon has shown a knack for limiting those crushing tackles. He tends to make those going for the big hit rather than focusing on just making the tackle look foolish.

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Yep, and I won't argue this. The IF wasn't a mistake on my part, but, in the NFL its really a "when" not an "if".

I'm not dead set against Austin, I'm really not. I also like what he would bring, but my convictions remain, and if he,isn't our pick, I will understand why as well. :up:

 

What I find interesting is that while the national storyline continues to hammer Cordarrelle Patterson near daily with "concerns" while holding up Tavon Austin as the model of the new NFL player that will challenge the way defenses do things, and all these mocks have Austin going no later than 16 while Patterson possibly slips out of the 1st round altogether, Bob McGinn asks 16 general managers to rank the position 1 thru 5 and gives points according to rank, and Patterson still comes out #1. He had 62 points to Austin's 60, with I believe 7 first place votes to Austin's 6.

To me Patterson essentially is Tavon Austin, in terms of run after catch ability, but like 6 inches taller and 30 or 40 lbs heavier.

And these Wonderlic scores took out one of the main arguments in favor of Austin over Patterson. I mean it's pretty hypocritical to sit here and talk about Patterson being too dumb to learn a playbook and that's why Tavon Austin is better, while Patterson scores an 11 on the Wonderlic (1 higher than A.J. Green) and Tavon Austin scores a 7 which I believe is the lowest score I've heard of since "Pig" Prather scored a 5...depending on whether you believe Vince Young's 6 was real or rumor (I remember it was denied and/or scored incorrectly, and the official results say 14 which was a re-test).

Tavon has an experience advantage but then even that's diminished because when you really watch him play, he's not run very many NFL routes you can match up. I actually did this exercise. I spent days capping ONLY catches of Austin's that weren't screens. I had to dig through probably 10 games just to get a good sampling of them because AT LEAST half of every catch or throw in his direction is a screen play. Then I tried to match the actual routes with Davone Bess' routes to see what Austin brings that Bess doesn't. It was pretty hard to do. There just isn't much that translates. Took hours and I just didn't end up with results I felt were publish-worthy. Meanwhile I could pick out any one of Patterson's catches and easily match it up with a route and catch from an NFL wide receiver.

I'm not trying to say Tavon is worthless but the digging on Cordarrelle Patterson has reached the point of being overdone. And contrary to a previous rumor he was not involved in the hotel trashing incident. That was DeAndre Hopkins and Mark Harrison, and there's been a rush of support from both college coaches and NFL personnel people saying they're absolutely convinced Harrison had nothing to do with it.

 

Can Tavon Austin block downfield? Serious question.