I am obviously very late to this party because I saw it in yahoo, and whenever you see anything on yahoo, you are late.....
But anyway I guess Sony is having an event to unveil it and I would assume hopefully show it off. Some changes besides the unreal engine, they say is to make it more social media friendly.....
Very interesting to see this and cant wait for the 20th. Wonder when the launcg date and price point is going to be, hopefully we will find out on the 20th.
https://us.playstation.com/meeting2013/
http://www.theverge.com/2013/1/31/3938830/playstation-meeting-2013
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If launch price is over $400 I won't be getting it. And there needs to be some unique games for me to get it at launch, because I doubt it'll be any more powerful than my PC (if even that powerful).
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Unless you have cash burning holes in all your pantaloons, wait till it's out a while. That way you can get all the PS3 games at a great discount.
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Next madden will probably make a lot of people buy it. I will wait. I never like getting the first gen release of a console. See Xbox and the RROD, etc.
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So, this will be a pretty interesting hardware generation.
Kaz Hirai once hinted that Sony wouldn't mind launching last again, but this announcement seems to contradict that. Either the hint was misinterpreted, or something happened where Sony felt like they either could or had to make this announcement. Possibilities: Sony's hardware is delayed and they want to announce first to create the impression that they're ahead of Microsoft; alternatively, Sony may know about Microsoft's Xbox Next production difficulties and feel like they can stick to their original timeline and beat MS to market.
Microsoft is in an interesting position. In order to release a new console this year, they supposedly had to meet a manufacturing deadline of December 31. They've purportedly met that, but just barely. They could wind up releasing this year, but in very limited quantities. If that's true, and if Sony knows it's true, this is a nice opportunity for them.
It looks like AMD has won the contracts for all three consoles in this cycle. There's an AMD GPU in the Wii U, and it appears that the PS4 and X720 are using an AMD combo CPU-GPU called a System on a Chip: basically, the CPU and GPU are all on the same piece of silicon, rather than separate chips on a bigger motherboard. This is the same engineering concept that goes into Apple's A4/5/X chips, Nvidia's Tegra line, now Intel's Core series, etc. Basically, consoles are purportedly going to start looking like cell phones from an engineering standpoint. If AMD is providing the SOC for the PS4, then it should be easier to develop for than the PS3, at the price of backwards compatibility. But that would also be true of the X720, so it's not necessarily an advantage.
There's some semi-informed speculation that Sony is at least considering getting rid of the optical drive and going fully over to digital downloads. I'm skeptical of that: there is no negative to including a fast Blu-Ray drive. But improving the PSN storefront along the lines of Steam would be a big deal, especially now that Valve is making Steam hardware.
Lastly, I think whichever company is the best at software and services (not hardware) will win this round. Software is too important now, and you can see how Nintendo is taking hits because they're terrible at design and simplicity in their console software.Boik14, MonstBlitz, dolfan32323 and 2 others like this. -
1) Can it play B/R disks? This is a must to me. I like have one machine that does 2 things. It is a space saver in my closet where all my components are.
2) I would HATE all digital downloads. I like being able to go into a store and buy used games. Saves so much cash.
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As for a digital only future just look at steam and psn both have sales all the time(steams tend to be better but psn offers plus with free games)
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The world isn't ready for digital-only purchasing, though. There are so many metered, capped, and limited Internet connections out there that it's not feasible to say "Hey, the only way you can get our 20GB game is to download it over your crappy Internet connection." It's a better, cleaner, faster option, but not ready to be the primary option. But Sony is already using digital downloads with the PS Vita, so it's at minimum going to be present and ready on the PS4.
The real challenge is whether or not Sony can come up with a 10 foot interface and a store layout that actually works well. Sony's typically never been very good at software, and I'm not a big fan of the XMB or the new PSN store layout. Microsoft is better at this, and you can expect the 720's interface to look like Windows 8.
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But the APC battery backup is a good touch. More people should have uninterruptible power supplies.finyank13 likes this. -
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OK, let's turn this into the next-gen console thread.
Edge Magazine: The next Xbox: Always online, no second-hand games, 50GB Blu-ray discs and new Kinect
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Interesting bits from both quotes. That no second hand market could be a huge issue unless it's like online pass where you can buy a new activation code (but even that would be troublesome for many people). The always online aspect could be an issue for some people as well.
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Here is some insight from Pach Attack on full digital. Not sure of his background, but he knows everyone in the industry and I believe he was a fellow exec. at one time.
http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/i1sufe/pach-attack--can-ea-go-100--digital--
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Am I wrong in thinking that Playstation looks to have an advantage early?
I'll always be a Playstation guy, I have managed to rid my entire household of all things Microsoft and don't plan on changing that any time soon.peastri likes this. -
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Like I said earlier, though, it's very difficult to switch over to pure digital distribution when so much of the world uses metered, capped, and throttled Internet connections. If you have a 150GB/month cap, are you going to blow 40GB of it downloading Black Ops? No: you're buying the disc.
A $200 iPod Touch that stores and runs thousands of $1 games is the biggest threat to console gaming since E.T. The closest thing to a counter that the Big 3 can come up with is a $300 device that saves a few $40 game before you have to pay extra to store a few more, and a $170 device that runs one $40 game at a time.
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Assuming Apple goes through with this and they make this hub affordable (debatable as it is Apple) they will run into the same issue you point out here. There's no way it will dominate the console market just selling iOS games (that will be a nice reality check for them), they will have to allow users access to at the very least the same AAA titles on XB, PS, Wii U and PC thus giving them the same storage issues. Then you have to ask, do developers want to have to port to yet another operating system? Then there's the fanboys/fangirls and trying to tear them away from their beloved hardware… My blind assumption here would be that PC gamers would be their main audience? Because they, unlike me, would understand how to best take advantage of something like this. How many PC'ers would convert to Mac, especially when they know the steam box is coming? Which presumably does the same thing but has the added advantage of housing their pre-existing library.
On a side note, I don't know what it's like in the US but down here the base model iPod Touch is more expensive than the top end XB and PS3 (obviously, one would assume this will change come next gen, but then so will the features and quality of gaming).Tone_E likes this. -
1. The goal isn't to "crush console gaming". The goal is to become the primary living room device. Apple offers devices that perform the functions of the dedicated boxes we call gaming consoles, in addition to many other functions. Apple's devices are cheaper both to purchase up front and to purchase software for during the life of the device, therefore, they have an advantage over a business model predicated on losing money on more expensive boxes and increasing the price of software to make up. Remember, Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo have all been moving towards adding non-gaming functions to their boxes. They do so less completely and less elegantly than they need.
2. "Apple style server, multiple smart TVs" — No. Just, no.
3. "multiplayer angry birds" — I'm pretty sure you intended this as sneering sarcasm, but Angry Birds has made over $100 million dollars and has been downloaded 648 million times as of May 2012. 648 million. Oh, and it costs $1.
4. "a tad inconvenient and expensive for the casual gamer" — One dollar. 648 million downloads.
5. "iOS… is convenient and cheap" — Wait, I thought Apple devices were more expensive than their competitors' devices…
That "vast difference in quality"? IT DOESN'T MATTER. There is such a thing as "good enough", and App Store games are indeed "good enough" for a near totality of the entire population.
Here's how the gaming market looks right now: 0.1% AAA titles (Halo, CoD, Madden) that make big profits; 39.9% "traditional" games that either are barely profitable or lose large amounts of money; 60% non-console gaming (mobile, web, Facebook, etc) that is "good enough" for almost everyone and generates huge revenues as a result. These demographics are why console gaming is in trouble. You can't sustain a specialized industry when all of the money is going to a handful of titles, at least not when the non-profitable games also cost millions to make. I don't know if you've noticed, but THQ and Atari have just both filed for bankruptcy. They aren't the first, and they won't be the last.
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This is why dedicated console gaming is in trouble, specifically from the creep of mobile into the living room.
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Some valid points and some obviously didn't get where I was going points but points nonetheless. We could go on forever because we're getting sidetracked so I'll cut to the chase... What I want to know and what you still haven't answered is... HOW is Apple going to own the living room? It's a pretty big statement so it intrigues me. I'm getting alot of vague, it's going to do stuff that the consoles can't do and everyone is terrified of them etc. but no straight answers. It's a genuine question, not me trying to be a smart arse. If there is no answer or noone really knows, then the statement, until proven, is false. I would like to see Apple succeed again, I'm no Mac hater I have supported them passionately for many years. More recently however, I fell they have let me down with what feels like a lack of ingenuity. I feel like I'm just being offered the same thing on repeat.
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So other than updated chipsets and better graphics, what will a new system offer me that my PS3 doesn't already offer? I already use it for Netflix, BluRay, MLB, SEC etc.
EDIT: I feel like the 'one box for all things' is just :words: to get more consumers into consoles.peastri likes this. -
I'm not saying Apple is going to own the living room. I'm saying that they will make a push, and that they've already beaten the consoles at the act of gaming, therefore whatever they come up with will likely relegate dedicated gaming consoles to irrelevancy. Nor is Apple the only company trying to get into the living room. Google has been trying half-assedly for years with Google TV, there are cheap boxes like Roku which work well, and the TV makers are pushing "smart TVs" (which are actually really dumb) to fend off challengers.
You're asking me not only to provide evidence of something I'm not asserting, you're also asking me to look into a crystal ball and tell you the future. I'm not trying to tell you the future, I'm telling you the present.
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If the new 360 requires Kinect I may just switch to PS4 next gen... Just not a fan of the camera nonsense.
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The Wall Street Journal is claiming that the PS4 will stream PS3 games. The article is subscriber-only, so here's The Verge:
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Anybody know what time this thing is tomorrow?
Des, is The Verge going to do the live blog they do alla with the iPhone? That is a very great thing they got going over there.....
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