Well, that should motivate the fellas in the Defensive Backfield...post it up on the Billboard as soon as TC starts.

 

When it comes to talent, now way are we bottom of the list. In Will Allen we have one of the best corners in that AFC, that alone should bump us up. Who the heck do the Patriots have that is better than Will Allen?

 

Eh I wouldn't rank it like that. I think we have a better one than Texans and are equal to Patriots and Bengals. JMO.

 

Naah, you are what you are, Travis Daniels or Mike Lehan or Goodman are not going to lead the AFC in passes defensed, we can only hope that they tackle well and don't blow coverage assignments as we really did not upgrade the CB position this offseason.

Todd Bowles is a very sharp cookie though, his schemes have proven productive where ever he has coached, and Saban made do with Daniels, Allen and Goodman, so "with luck" we will be able to make do with them as well this year.

 

I can't disagree much with the rating. It's why I was pissed we didn't address the position at all in the draft.

 

Allen had a fine season for us but he needs to do more IMO before we declare him one of the best in the AFC.

 

Problem is, Goodman hasn't been healthy since 2006, Lehan was merely servicable, and Allen does not come up with Int's, and Daniels is simply to inconsistent to be relied upon.

Saban made due with them though, that is what strikes me, if Lil' Nicky can do it, there is no reason why Bowles and Coach P can't.

 

Hmmmm, lemme see, we went 1-15, we allowed some serious bombs to be thrown against us all season long, we drafted how many CB's? We picked up how many CB's in FA? (thinking here . . . . 0+0=?) OK. Where else would anyone EXPECT us to be ranked? Not saying I like it, just not sure how we could expect to be ranked anywhere else when considering the facts.

I do think if our secondary stays healthy this season, and we can figure out how to stop the run, and we somehow start to generate a pass rush, that we could be improved quite a bit in our secondary. A lot of "ifs" there though.

 

Keyword: IF

 

I don't find it too surprising since I doubt many QB's have any fear that our CB's will intercept their passes, especially Will Allen. Allen can be a good #2 CB but I just have the confidence that he's the cover corner to put on another team's elite WR one on one. He can rush the QB and make the tackle but just lacks that man-to-man cover ability. One solid corner who's lacking in terms of playmaking ability against the pass with some scrubs isn't something I like to see.

Link:
http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=408426

 

Mike Lehan is going to suprise some folk on this board, the kid is really coming into his own.

I said last year at the end of the year and i will say it again, hes gonna be good, above average good.

Don't forget after evaluating all the players on our squad last year, he wass the very first player our new regime gave a shiny new contract to...to me that tells me my analysis of him was validated

 

He also knows Bowles system from his Cleveland days, he did "okay" in the orange and brown.

What did you like about Lehan's play Dj?

 

We are above the Bengals I think

 

I think Will Alen could be a good 1st coner back

 

I can see a low rankiing but without Bodden I do think the Browns might be worse. Still, if they disagree...count my unsurprised.

 

I don't and most people don't either. I think he's a good 2nd CB but an average 1st. There are at least 30 CB's I'd can think of to want as my #1 guy in front of Will Allen.

 

I like Will Alllen (and Goodman as well) Aqua, but do keep in mind that teams were so successful running the ball on us that our secondary was almost an afterthought.

 

I wonder if that is based on their believed level of talent or performance from last year. I believe that the best friend to our secondary is a strong pass rush and a solid run defense. Too much time was given to opposing QB's last year. Hopefully that is a trend that is over.

 

It is what it is, and you have to call it like you see it. You can't turn a battleship on a dime and Parcells and Co. can't right this ship in one offseason. It wasn't as high a priority this year as other positions but it will be addressed next year. I am soo happy that the Oline is finally taking shape and looks really promising and I have no doubt that after next years draft the same will be said for our secondary.:up:

 

Most people including average fans, obviously most GM's since not a lot were willing to pick up Allen when he was available, and including most sports writers (who think he's a solid CB but not really an anchor for the CB crew) and that's not including Dr. Z. I don't just evaluate solely based on interceptions but it's still a good part of a CB's performance. The fact is, Will Allen wasn't put on the opposing team's #1 WR all the time and, while a good run-supporter/pass-rusher and good tackler, doesn't have the cover skills that a CB should have.

Very well, here's the list in no particular order, not looking at injuries or legal issues:

1. Marcus Trufant
2. Asante Samuel
3. Nate Clements
4. DeAngelo Hall
5. Lito Sheppard
6. Chris McAlister
7. Leigh Bodden
8. Antonio Cromartie
9. Anthony Henry
10. Terence Newman
11. Ike Taylor
12. Darrelle Revis
13. Dre' Bly
14. Champ Bailey
15. Roderick Hood
16. Deshea Townsend
17. Sheldon Brown
18. Fred Bennett
19. Shawn Springs
20. Nnamdi Asomugha
21. Rashean Mathis
22. Walt Harris
23. Pacman Jones
24. Ronde Barber
25. Dunta Robinson
26. Chris Gamble
27. Ken Lucas
28. Charles Tillman
29. Quentin Jammer
30. Antoine Winfield
31. Al Harris
32. Charles Woodson
33. Nathan Vasher

 

That is false. Will Allen has occupied the LCB spot, whcih is traditionally where you put your #1 CB, and under both Saban and Cameron he was moved around to cover the other side's best receiver. He was absolutely, positively the defense's top cover man and he did a superb job in 2007.

 

Allen is definitely better than at least half those guys IMO. Its not even close in a few cases.

 

Chad Johnson was covered by Michael Lehan (and Allen did a sub-par job against Housh anyways). Will Allen was put on Josh Reed, not Lee Evans in the latest Bills game. Braylon Edwards was also Lehan while Allen had Jurevicious. The NFL.com game-day play by play's support it as well as their pictures. He may have been the defense's top cover man but that's not saying much.

That's your opinion. This is mine. I think a lot of us are putting on the Dolphins shades right now because other team fans won't share the same sentiment. And ask any Giants fan what they felt about Will Allen, they'll say good riddance.

 

:lol: Absolutely its a matter of opinion, no need to be defensive bro. Trust me I don't own a pair of Dolphins shades, I think I'm very unbiased when it comes to them. As bad as we were last year Will Allen was one of the few bright spots, he's definitely #1 CB material.

 

yeah i'd agree with that assessment... Looking at that list, we SHOULD be last on it. :up:

 

I think the same, we don't have the worst cb's in the whole AFC! :tantrum:

 

lol, no worries bro, just me getting into one too many Will Allen arguments. I guess what's tilting me against saying Allen is a #1 CB is the fact that I played CB and I'm always surrounded by well-informed fans of other teams, usually Raiders, Giants, Cowboys, Redskins, Eagles, Patriots (excluding the bandwagoners), Chargers ones. And their opinion about Will Allen was he's stopgap fodder along the lines of Hank Poteat. The fact I was able to argue the merits that Will Allen would be a good sidekick CB was a gift. I don't doubt Allen was a small bright spot in a black hole but I still believe we need a true #1 cover corner, someone who's cover first, run-support/etc second and who can generate the Ints and put the fear in opposing QB/WR's minds.

 

Fair enough, I definitely think we could use an upgrade there. Not only depth wise but I feel like we need another true starter. I was really disappointed we didn't take any DBs in the draft. I would love to have someone that would move Allen to the #2, that would be a very solid starting CB core. Otherwise I can't really argue with the rankings posted. IMO we have a solid starter in Allen and a solid nickel in Lehan but other than that nothing special.

 

Two words:

Scorpio.

Babers.

Discuss.

 

We are bad at Cornerback. Will Allen is fine but thats all well and good when if we only needed one Cornerback on the field. When we go Dime we are found wanting. Daniels hasnt got cover speed and Lehan hasnt shown me hes anything special. We will get beat alot. Lets hope the D-Line can put some pressure on up front.

 

I agree bro I think Will Alen is in the top 15 to