The Good, the Bad and the Ugly of Spanking the Pats

"nonlinearPDE wrote:

No, because we are on our way to the playoffs just as we are every year. One loss is not big deal. We lost in Miami last season and still made it to the AFCCG - with a less talented team.

Won't make the playoffs being in last place of the division.

"nonlinearPDE wrote:

No, because we are on our way to the playoffs just as we are every year. One loss is not big deal. We lost in Miami last season and still made it to the AFCCG - with a less talented team.

Ya but that less-talented team didn't get completely OWNED and dominated like this more-talented one did...except, of course, in that same AFCCG, that they proved they didn't belong nowhere near.

"Not Since 73 wrote:

2-7 in the last 9 against the Pats. You've learned how to lose. It may take longer to learn how to win.

0-1. Stop living in the past. We learned yesterday how to win. Most teams that get 3 turnovers don't get their ass kicked.

"byroan wrote:

Won't make the playoffs being in last place of the division.

No one makes the playoffs after 1 game.

"nonlinearPDE wrote:

No one makes the playoffs after 1 game.

No one makes the playoffs being in last.

At least they Won. Now on to many more Wins..:dolphin:

"PhinFan1968 wrote:

Ya but that less-talented team didn't get completely OWNED and dominated like this more-talented one did...except, of course, in that same AFCCG, that they proved they didn't belong nowhere near.

We got owned in one half. We always have stinkers. Every single year. Even during the SB years. 31-0 at Buffalo in the season opener ring a bell?

"byroan wrote:

No one makes the playoffs being in last.

You guys should know all about that. What does that have to do with the Pats though?

"RGF wrote:

Helped dramatically by an illegal block in the back that wasnt called.

I was pissed the D allowed that conversion but I also thought that block in the back at the point of attack was blatant. Arguably as blatant as the PIs that weren't called on the Pats and more blatant than that hit to RT's head that the ref watching RT missed and was fortunately corrected by the line ref.

"nonlinearPDE wrote:

You guys should know all about that. What does that have to do with the Pats though?

http://www.nfl.com/standings

"RGF wrote:

Totally disagree here. If we go for it and fail its a momemtum changer that favors N.E. Going up by 13 with the amount of time left was huge. Needing two T.D.`s as opposed to a field goal and one T.D., night and day in that situation .

As I said earlier to another poster, you're 100% right. How often do you have the Super Bowl favored, hated division rivals on the ropes though? That's why I would have gone for it, because making that last TD would have been a statement that the league couldn't ignore. That's just me though...and I know it's not the popular opinion.

"byroan wrote:

http://www.nfl.com/standings

After 1 game. Let me reiterate - standings after 1 game do not determine who makes the playoffs. Are you a new NFL fan?

"dolfan87 wrote:

The Patriots are going to be just fine. I really think most here are underestimating what the heat and humidity did to New England. They were beating us soundly until the second half when they clearly lost energy. I'll get excited if we can go up to Buffalo and run the ball, and get to E.J.

For 30+ years, every game in Miami was a 1PM kickoff and the Fins averaged a 6-2 home record. The heat/humidity is an amazing advantage, and it's about time that Miami starts using it again.

I wonder what their excuse will be after they lose to Minnesota. You guys think Moreno tore you a new one? Wait until you see AP.

"rafael wrote:

I was pissed the D allowed that conversion but I also thought that block in the back at the point of attack was blatant. Arguably as blatant as the PIs that weren't called on the Pats and more blatant than that hit to RT's head that the ref watching RT missed and was fortunately corrected by the line ref.

I believe they said it was the umpire who told the referee there was helmet to helmet contact.

"byroan wrote:

I wonder what their excuse will be after they lose to Minnesota. You guys think Moreno tore you a new one? Wait until you see AP.

Why would we make excuses? If we lose to Minnesota that will indicate there is reason to worry.

"KeyFin wrote:

As I said earlier to another poster, you're 100% right. How often do you have the Super Bowl favored, hated division rivals on the ropes though? That's why I would have gone for it, because making that last TD would have been a statement that the league couldn't ignore. That's just me though...and I know it's not the popular opinion.

It sounds like you are looking at that situation emotionally and not practically. To force the Pats to need two TDs to win, rather than a TD and FG to tie was HUGE. Any coach worth their salt would have done what Philbin did and take the chip shot FG.

As for making a statement to the league, outscoring the Patriots 23-0 in the 2nd half and winning by 13 is a pretty significant statement in of itself.

"nonlinearPDE wrote:

Why would we make excuses? If we lose to Minnesota that will indicate there is reason to worry.

How well have the Patriots offense done against the Bengals lately, when Zimmer was their DC? It is going to be a similar defense you're facing next weekend, scheme wise, if not talent wise.

"MrClean wrote:

That was not a dropped potential TD pass. He was looking for the ball after it popped up into the air. That he found it too late to adjust and make what would have been a great catch does not constitute a drop. The crossing route you claim he dropped, haven't found that one either.
PFF had Wallace with zero drops yesterday, so I guess I'm seeing things similar to them on this part of the game.

I dont blame Wallace at all for that play. Game action, full speed ...its not as easy as it seems to locate a tipped pass and haul it in. Would`ve been a great recovery but it wasn't his fault , a ball that gets tipped and changes direction is difficult to locate before it hits the ground.

"MrClean wrote:

How well have the Patriots offense done against the Bengals lately, when Zimmer was their DC? It is going to be a similar defense you're facing next weekend, scheme wise, if not talent wise.

Not too well last year but we played them in Cincinnati early in the year without Gronk. The scheme may be the same, but they are not as talented on D as the Bengals.

"MrClean wrote:

It sounds like you are looking at that situation emotionally and not practically. To force the Pats to need two TDs to win, rather than a TD and FG to tie was HUGE. Any coach worth their salt would have done what Philbin did and take the chip shot FG.

As for making a statement to the league, outscoring the Patriots 23-0 in the 2nd half and winning by 13 is a pretty significant statement in of itself.

Could you imagine if we went for it and failed and then have the Patriots score 10 quick points to tie it ?This place would be calling for Philbins head like a bunch of maniacs.

"nonlinearPDE wrote:

Why would we make excuses? If we lose to Minnesota that will indicate there is reason to worry.

Because this week it was the "heat and humidity" and the refs not giving you guys every call like in most games. Its just as ridiculous as when we lose in December to teams up north because "the cold and the snow". You prepare for it. Obviously your "genious" of a coach didn't prepare your team for our well-known home field advantage.

"FinSane wrote:

Because this week it was the "heat and humidity" and the refs not giving you guys every call like in most games. Its just as ridiculous as when we lose in December to teams up north because "the cold and the snow". You prepare for it. Obviously your "genious" of a coach didn't prepare your team for our well-known home field advantage.

Who used those excuses? Certainly not me. We lost because our Oline and Dline played like crap.

"RGF wrote:

I dont blame Wallace at all for that play. Game action, full speed ...its not as easy as it seems to locate a tipped pass and haul it in. Would`ve been a great recovery but it wasn't his fault , a ball that gets tipped and changes direction is difficult to locate before it hits the ground.

Have you found the other supposed drop that Wallace had? He said about the Pats 10 yd line on a crossing route.

"nonlinearPDE wrote:

Not too well last year but we played them in Cincinnati early in the year without Gronk. The scheme may be the same, but they are not as talented on D as the Bengals.

In some places they aren't, but in some they are pretty solid. Their DL isn't bad with Joseph and Floyd inside. Barr looks like a good one. They have some good young DBs like Smith and Rhodes. Think their Mike maybe a weak spot. You all playing 3 wide a lot probably means Brinkley, the Mike, comes out, and an extra corner, like Josh Robinson, comes in.