So I've just realised the other two threads on your preferred #1 and #2 QB are out of date. The poll options don't include Joe Burrow or an 'other' option, so I'm creating this one to replace them.
Vote for your preferred QB1 in the draft, and any #2 options etc.
Change your votes as the season progresses if you need to.
QB Quick Profiles
Josh Rosen - #RouteForRosen
Full Name: Joshua Ballinger Lippincott Rosen
DOB: 1997 February 10
School: UCLA
Team: Miami Dolphins
Height: 6'4" (1.93m)
Weight: 215lbs (98kg)
Tua Tagovailoa - #TankForTua
Full Name: Tuanigamanuolepola Tagovailoa (Tongue-oh-vai-loa)
DOB: 1998 March 2
School: Alabama
Class: Junior
Height: 6'1" (1.85m)
Weight: 218lbs (99kg)
Justin Herbert - #HurtforHerbert
Full Name: Justin Herbert
DOB: 1998 March 10
School: Oregon
Class: Senior
Height: 6'6" (1.98m)
Weight: 237lbs (108kg)
Who's your QB1 for 2020?
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Josh Rosen
7 vote(s)11.5% -
Tua Tagovailoa
31 vote(s)50.8% -
Justin Herbert
1 vote(s)1.6% -
Jake Fromm
4 vote(s)6.6% -
Jacob Eason
0 vote(s)0.0% -
Jordan Love
1 vote(s)1.6% -
Joe Burrow
14 vote(s)23.0% -
Jalen Hurts
2 vote(s)3.3% -
Sam Ehlinger
0 vote(s)0.0% -
Other - Please post and specify.
1 vote(s)1.6%
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Jake Fromm - #FailForFromm
Full Name: William Jacob Fromm
DOB: 1998 July 30
School: Georgia
Class: Junior
Height: 6'2" (1.88m)
Weight: 220lbs (100kg)
Jacob Eason - #EatItForEason
Full Name: Jacob Eason
DOB: 1997 November 17
School: Washington
Class: Junior
Height: 6'6" (1.98m)
Weight: 227lbs (103kg)
Jordan Love - #LoseforLove
Full Name: Jordan Love
DOB: 1998 November 2
School: Utah State
Class: Junior
Height: 6'4" (1.93m)
Weight: 225lbs (102kg)Last edited: Oct 16, 2019 -
Joe Burrow - #BailforBurrow
Full Name: Joe Burrow
DOB: 1996 December 10
School: LSU
Class: Senior
Height: 6'4" (1.93m)
Weight: 216lbs (98kg)
Jalen Hurts - #HurlforHurts
Full Name: Jalen Alexander Hurts
DOB: 1998 August 7
School: Oklahoma
Class: Senior
Height: 6'2" (1.88m)
Weight: 225lbs (102kg)
Sam Ehlinger - #ExecrableForEhlinger
Full Name: Samuel George Ehlinger
DOB: 1998 September 30
School: Texas
Class: Junior
Height: 6'2" (1.88m)
Weight: 230lbs (104kg)Last edited: Oct 16, 2019 -
For my vote....Week 6 Update.
Tua still remains in the #1 spot for me. He hasn't made any big mistakes. Still no interceptions. I've only seen one pass come close.
He's making good decisions, getting the ball out fast, his accuracy/reliability is top notch. He moves well in the pocket and evades pressure when it comes. You can ignore the YAC number because of his WR's making some incredible runs - it doesn't matter, his ball placement is very, very good. In fact, as good as his WR's are, they also need to thank Tua for throwing passes almost always where they need to be so they're off to a good start.
As for the number 2 spot I've got Joe Burrow/Jake Fromm behind Tua.Last edited: Oct 7, 2019Tin Indian and resnor like this. -
As for who is under center next season isn’t nearly as important to me as the offensive line in front of him. I watched many quarterbacks run for their lives yesterday including the kid wonder Mahomes.
Still way way way too early to speculate on quarterbacksFphinFantastic and Agua like this. -
As for the offensive line, I'm 100% in agreement that dominating the trenches is essential. But with a possible #1 overall pick in play the QB question is just as important because it will be spent on a QB, there's no doubt about that.Tin Indian and Surfs Up 99 like this. -
Travis mentioned in his most recent podcast that not only is Tua the favorite of Grier and Flores, but that there is a mandate from the "top" to go and get him. With three first round picks and multiple others in the top 100, I truly don't think anyone else will be under center in 2020--barring a complete miracle season from Rosen.
That said, we have some great options. In my order of preference:
1. Tua Tagovailoa, Alabama
- Unique blend of accuracy, smart decision-making, and evasiveness. Character is off the charts, ideal face-of-the-franchise. Think Russell Wilson meets Chad Pennington.
- We've seen what he can do. Outstanding deep ball, gorgeous mechanics, calm under pressure. Needs to work on his decision making, but the ceiling is still high. Purely as a passer, he reminds me of Jay Cutler, minus the commitment issues.
- This guy has grown on me. Pure pocket-passer, but he has the strength to shake off defenders and quick enough feet to maneuver in the pocket. He has a very high floor, which means he'll surely be a good starting NFL QB, but I'm not sure about the ceiling. He reminds me most of Matt Stafford.
- Streaky. Huge arm. Throws with velocity and anticipation, and can make throws some NFL QB's cannot. Massive potential, but he's raw. Let him sit his first year, and with the right coach, he just might have a Mahomes-esque debut in year two. Definite bust potential here, but I like the chances.
- My least favorite of the top-five. Haven't bought into the hype; I think his mechanics are clunky, his throwing motions are awkward, and I just don't see him as a difference-maker at the next level. He is dynamic though, and he can make plays out of nothing. IMO, he's a mobile Brock Osweiler.
7. K.J. Costello, Stanford
8. Jalen Hurts, Oklahoma
9. Steven Montez, Colorado
10. Sam Ehlinger, Texas
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For right now I vote other... i dont think any of those quarterbacks you listed are better or worst prospects than Drew Lock.... I think i would take a chance at Jake Fromm if hes there to take in the second round. Im definitely not taking a qb with a top 15 pick, none are worthy of it.
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We had this same discussion back before we drafted Tannehill, "Which SHOULD come first,, the QB or the O-line? Lo and behold, the QB came first and he was so caught up in running for his life that the game never slowed down for him, he never fully developed. Are we going to do the same thing and expect a different result? I voted to stick with Rosen, build a team around him and go after Lawrence or someone else in 2021 if need be.
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The last time we chose between QB and OL with a high 1st round pick was when we actually had the #1 pick in 2008 and chose Jake Long over Matt Ryan. A choice between one of the best OL vs. a consistently above average QB. And we made the wrong choice in retrospect.
As others have said, Tua gives you no reason to think he won't be consistently above average. You don't miss that kind of opportunity.Surfs Up 99, djphinfan and Pauly like this. -
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I'm not going to pretend to be a great QB evaluator, but I will say I've been paying a lot more attention and trying to figure this out more this season than ever before. One thing I've experienced with Tua is a confidence whenever he has the ball. If you watch him over time you just get used to/expect high quality passes. He really does put it right where it needs to be. And when the pass rush does start to apply pressure he moves around and figures something out. His eyes are downfield, he's looking to make something happen. And whereas last year he apparently had the issue of forcing the ball downfield, this year I haven't seen that. My biggest concern, based on what I read, was whether Tua has the mind, the understanding, necessary to be great. I still don't have that answer, but I am now convinced he has instincts and talent to be great. If he can dominate the mental aspect, then he'll be something special.
As for alternatives, the other two that remain in my shortlist of seeing something that could work out - Joe Burrow and Jake Fromm. Fromm looks like he might have the best mind of all of the QB's. He's the one I have the least concerns about in terms of understanding the game, defences, and making good QB plays. He may lack physical talent compared to some, but if I have to choose I'll take an elite mind over an elite body. Joe Burrow has seemingly come out of nowhere (I'm sure someone had their eyes on him earlier) but this season he's been looking consistently legitimate. He seems good across the board, and so shows real promise. I feel like there's more likelihood for mistakes than with Tua - and that bears out in their stats so far - but there's an aggression to Joe that feels like a killer instinct. It's a gut feeling but it feels like Burrow could also be something special.
Overall, we'll have to see how the rest of the season pans out and whether time brings these guys down to earth, or proves them to be real talents.Surfs Up 99 and djphinfan like this. -
I voted for Tua but there is some merit to the idea of building the line this year and making a run at Lawrence the following year.
I still think the best option is to draft Tua next year and put him on the bench for a year, get him some mop up duty. Keep Rosen as your starter. This way used to be the norm in the NFL and Mahomes proves there is still merit to it. And hey, Maybe Rosen develops and it turns out you have two great QB's on your roster. Trade one and move on. Good problem to have.Hooligan likes this. -
As for Lawrence, he was crowned too early. Call it a sophomore slump maybe, maybe he does become the next great QB, but only time will tell because right now he isn't. The Dolphins cannot bank on him as he is.Tin Indian likes this. -
Not only did we do that with Tannehill, we also did it with Henne.
Insanity is defined as doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. We’ll draft a QB with our first pick, grab other skill set players, the IL will be an afterthought and once again the Dolphins will rise to mediocrity.
Everyone wants Miami to find the next Marino but the one thing most folks overlook was Marino already had a solid OL with folks like Stephenson and Kuechenburg.
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My list in order:
1) Tua Tagovailoa
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Looks to me like they invested the resources in building the OL before drafting a QB, lo and behold it just didn't workout but it wasn't for a lack of effort.Surfs Up 99 and Pauly like this. -
I voted for Tua who I believe is the best QB prospect since Andrew Luck.
I don't understand this pick a QB vs build the line narrative when you can do both. Sign 2/3 free agent OL and draft 2/3 OL in the 2nd or 3rd or with one of the 1st round picks. If Dieter progresses that's 1 guard spot, pick up a C and RT in free agency and draft a LT and LG. If Isadora, Boehm, or Jesse Davis progress throughout the year or show you something in TC next year then even better now you have potential starters+ depth. You don't need an OL full of all pro's like Dallas, I rather have 5 decent starters working as 1 unit. When it come's to OL coaching is most important, just look at the Pats OL how many pro bowlers or all pro players are on there? How many 1st rounders are starting?Surfs Up 99 and cuchulainn like this. -
Puka-head My2nd Fav team:___vs Jets Club Member
My pick was Rosen. Not cuz I thinks he's the answer but he's paid for. Yes I want my Jacked up Tundra with a lift in bright Orange but for now it's a luxury I can't afford. Gotta drive my little 2WD Tacoma, It's paid for, gets 25 mpg, and won't let me down. Can still haul boards and dirt or some furniture around.
We are not going to be good next year either, no matter who's at QB.
If Tua is there at our pick, whatever it is and I don't think we will have #1 then sure, pick him. If you have to give up anything more than a second or so to move up...don't. I don't want any of the Juniors, I'd like at least a two year starter, prefer 4, and team Captain for starts. Tua could be an exception.
That leaves Hurts and Herbert. I'd be OK with either at our lowest 1st, and a 4th round prospect too
Draft Eason (or best QB prospect, but I really like Easons game) next year, that kids going to be a baller. But I want him to come back to UW and go get a title next year first.
Yes I said
Keep Rosen,
1st rd 2020 pick QB
4th rd 2020 pick QB
1st Rd 2021 pick QB
I would also be keeping an eye on what happens with Minshew and Daniels after this season.
Need to come out of this draft with a 10 yr pro bowl center and a stud MLB priority for me. And G or threeLast edited: Oct 8, 2019 -
I would love for Rosen to be the answer. That would mean Rosen consistently showing us stuff he hasn’t consistently shown before.
Of the college QBs Tua is the one who is showing the best traits that seem to translate best into pro QB success, namely accuracy into tight windows, good decision making, ability to work in chaos and within a structure. I like that he appears (to me at least) to be an animated leader who encourages his team mates.
Of course with college ball having inconsistent level of surrounding talent and opposition it’s easy to make a case that a QB from a strong program isn’t as good as he looks.
Of the others Jake Fromm is the one who is performing better than I thought he would.Surfs Up 99 and cuchulainn like this. -
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Tua is the best prospect since Mahomes...
Displays superior confidence..Has the talent to back it up, exceptional accuracy, explosively fast throwing motion, creative playmaker with the awareness to get there in a compromised pocket, oh, and he might be the most innately accurate qb.... ever.. -
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1. Tua
2. Fromm
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There's a big difference between the #8 pick (which Tannehill was) and the #1 pick overall (which Long was). You don't get the latter too often, hopefully. When you get it, you've got to make it pay off. -
I don't see how one can explain that away by surrounding cast. To give you an idea of what you'd need to argue to explain their difference by surrounding cast, note that the 0.81 z-score difference is equivalent to jumping from 50th percentile to 21st percentile. That's like saying a league average QB would on average be ranked #7 in the league over 11 years just by giving him the surrounding cast Matt Ryan had over those 11 years. Who in their right mind would believe that?
A better estimate of what a better surrounding cast can do is probably seen with Andy Dalton, who isn't any better than Tannehill IMO but has had a much better surrounding cast in some years (including some stud WR's and better OL..). Dalton's career z-score is 0.1311 which is about 0.25 above Tannehill's. THAT seems more intuitive to me.mooseguts likes this. -
Mahomes had Jakeem Grant, Keke Coutee, and Dylan Cantrell as his targets. The best of the three so far plays for us and he has been dropping EVERYTHING this season. We should be demanding a refund for the contract we gave Jakeem, it was highway robbery.
Tua has Jerry Jeudy, Henry Ruggs, and Devonta Smith, all three being first round picks soon. Jaylen Waddle, his fourth receiver, will be a first round pick NEXT year. The receivers get to choose who runs what routes and who catches the touchdowns over a game of rock, paper scissors..
Mark your calendars, tighter windows and pass rushes are coming. @LSU and @Auburn
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You can't discount someone just because they played on a talented team. It would be like saying we should avoid Jeudy because he is getting balls from Tua, or Young because he plays on an OSU team that regularly sends high level d-linemen and others every year. Nobody is discounting Lawrence because he has Tee Higgins and Travis Etienne.
Im no evaluator/tape cruncher, but you look at his skill set in isolation, you see if he is maximizing the talent he has no matter how good/bad they are, etc.Galant likes this. -
I'm interested in seeing how he does against tougher defences - there's still a lot of season left to go - but I don't rate the argument against him that his WR's are carrying him. I can only see someone thinking that if they just look at the YAC stats.texanphinatic and Tin Indian like this. -
I agree it's hard to evaluate a QB that's on a team like Alabama. But Tua gives you NO reason to think he won't be good. In other words, his ceiling is hard to determine but his floor is high with the most likely result being he's consistently above average (unless people think Tua will turn into the next Tannehill or Dalton.. seriously how?).
And with the #1 pick you shouldn't be worrying about a QB's ceiling. The floor is more important because you don't want to search for a replacement QB for the next decade and a half.Surfs Up 99 likes this. -
Too many times we see stud QBs drafted with high expectations. Sometimes they flourish, other times they faulted and other times they have moments of brilliance that flash and fade away. Unless Miami elevates all of their talent no matter what QB we draft, their success in Miami will be minimal at bestStriking likes this. -
Regardless of who is around him Tua does see pressure, does have to pass on the move, does need to make tight window throws or deep throws, as do they all. And when those things happen Tua stands out as just consistently better. In addition, he seems to be making decent decisions and he isn't just running when pressure comes, he keeps his eyes down field and looks to, and often makes decent passes.
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I'm not saying this is 100% the case for Tua because I admit I havent watched him enough to say, but even so a lack of physical ability isn't the only reason players fail.
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