Either Grier is lying about what the docs have told him, or he’s repeating what the docs have told him. It’s not like he’s diagnosing Tua and making health decisions.

 

Yeah I mean, someone isn't being honest. I certainly don't trust Grier. If there is a massive problem, I don't think Grier would tell us, after the season was just derailed by not having QB1 after the new contract, and I don't think they would tell us if they knew that Tua has a serious issue.

 

Grier could be being 100% honest and saying what the team docs have told him. We can’t be sure, however.
My guess would be Grier wouldn’t lie about what the docs told him. Something like that could be easily found out.

 

Well, no one is really saying anything. So he can't be accused of lying. But if there were something actually wrong, this is exactly the kind of stuff I'd expect that we would hear.

 

He said it wasn’t serious. That’s most likely what the docs have told him. If the docs told him that it was serious, we’d be hearing about surgery, retirement, missing beginning of the next season, etc.
Again though, that doesn’t prove he’s not lying, but it makes it improbable that he is.

 

They have not specified an injury, correct? Initially it was nothing, then it was something that required missing the last two games. Now it's nothing again. All I'm saying is, that leaves Grier massive latitude to months from now be like "Oh man, the hip injury was actually this, and it just progressed differently than the doctors expected..."

Basically with such a vanilla position, he's got extensive plausible deniability, imo. Not arguing that he is for sure lying, just that nothing he has said would preclude that from being true.

Like I don't trust Grier when he says that something is no big deal. Heard that how many times? Fool me once...

 

Why would someone have to be dishonest here? Obviously there could be something seriously wrong but if there isn't who is lying? Or is there something I am missing?

 

I'm not saying he is or isn't lying.

All I'm saying is, when Grier says there's nothing to worry about, his track record tells me to worry. Lol

That's it.

 

You guys don't find it odd that we haven't been told what the injury actually is?

 

For the draft. If Tua is really seriously injured Dolphins might try to move up? wonder what it would take from 13 to 2?

 

Don't like the QB class. Though Dart might be someone to look at in round 2 or later.

Tua's status likely won't be known until after the draft. I think we will ride or die with him for 2025. At least the next QB we draft high will have an offensive line, right Grier?

 

You said someone isn't being honest which does mean someone is lying.

 

That’s pretty typical unless it’s like an Achilles or ACL where it’s obvious on film.

it’s been said that his injury isn’t serious, but it affects his movement which inhibits his ability to avoid being hit (which it seems doesn’t like to do anyhow… lol)

Anyhow, they’ve been pretty adamant that it’s not the injury, per se, but his inability to move around which would potentially cause him to take hits he wouldn’t otherwise.

 

Yeah it seems that someone somewhere is being dishonest. Clearly Tua's hip injury was more than they're letting on, as he missed two must win games. Whether or is Grier that is lying or being dishonest, or someone else who is giving him information, I can't POSSIBLY know that.

That is why I said, "I'm not saying he (Grier) is or isn't lying..."

 

That's what I'm saying though, Dan. Like how can you try to separate the injury from the inability to move around, when it's the injury causing him to have an inability to move around?

To me, you're making a distinction without a distinction. He is either injured, or he's not. They are saying there is something that is negatively affecting his mobility. You are saying that isn't an injury? (I think? Not trying to put words in your mouth, or misrepresent)

 

Or they just don't play for 8 months and that is plenty of time for something that doesn't apparently need surgery.

 

Because a broken toe or pulled hammy could cause the same thing. I don’t think anyone would be concerned over those injuries.

 

But they've said it's related to the previous injured hip, haven't they?

 

Some serious cope there, brother

 

Maybe you will get your wish and it will be something serious.

 

No. They’ve emphatically said that it has nothing to do with his college injury.

 

Didn't say related to the injury. Just that it is the same hip.

 

That isn't my wish. I don't wish for the Dolphins to be trash. But am I supposed to lie to myself about what Tua is?

 

So I just found this article from 6 days ago and it says this:

So is it the same hip that he injured in college? I read that somewhere. Now it's a "rare hip injury."

But it's also no big deal.

IMO someone isn't being honest.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/fo...on-tua-tagovailoa-playing-vs-jets/ar-AA1x020T

 

My sister had to have hip replacement at like 35 years old. She has some degenerative hip thing, where the hip degenerates to bone on bone. Anyway, the way she even knew something was going on was her upper leg muscles were super sore for like months.

Hip injuries that affect surrounding muscles aren't generally no big deal.

 

Well, one “rare” injury to the hip is an iliopsoas injury. It is most common in athletes. It’s rare even then, but athletes are the most common demographic. These injuries are treated with rest, ice, and sometimes steroid injections. They aren’t typically serious. So “rare” doesn’t necessarily mean severe or big concern.

 

For sure. Was just an anecdote so you understand what forms my opinions.

I still think it's extremely of that we don't know what the injury is, especially if it isn't significant.

 

Is it the same hip he had the college injury on? I mean, if the thing you suggested is super rare, one would have to wonder if all that trauma to the hip was a factor.

 

It’s the same hip.

This injury happened during a hit he took against Houston. It was a helmet/shoulder pad hit to the same side. His college injury was a very different mechanism of injury that involved torque and weight. This was more of a direct hit that didn’t torque his hip joint. This MOA is more like a bat to the hip rather than a twisting force like his injury in college. This current hit would lead you to think it was a bruise to the soft tissue or bone. The fact that he’s not had surgery, or even a scope, leads me to believe that it’s not anything to do with his old injury. The old injury would have the docs worried about necrosis due to poor blood flow. I’m sure he’s had a CT and/or an MRI specifically looking for that. If they had seen that, it would be career threatening. I would believe they’d never say it wasn’t a major concern if it was anything like that.

My best guess is whatever his injury is, only rest and time will fix it and pain is the leading concern.

 

What I'm more contending is that catastrophic injuries, like the hip dislocation, weaken that body part immensely, which can lead to being more susceptible to other types of injury.

Not that this injury is a direct result of the hip dislocation.

 

That’s a reasonable concern.

A new study came out last year (maybe the year before), that looked at young people with Tua’s type of injury. I can’t remember how many people they looked at, but they looked at 1, 5, and 10 years after. Again, this is a new study and nothing like it has been done before as far as I know.

Anyhow, after 5 years about 20% of these patients have some sort of complication. They were things as small as slight pain that was rectified with steroid shots and rehab all the way to bone necrosis. Before this study it was thought that if necrosis hadn’t happened within the first year it wouldn’t happen.
Anyhow, I doubt it’s anything like that or else we’d be hearing about Tua needing a hip transplant and retiring.

 

Cam Newton says Tua's arm strength is part of the problem.

https://dolphinnation.com/2025/01/1...frustrated-because-he-wants-the-f-g-ball/amp/

 

I can't figure out what he's saying here. He says arm strength, then there's too many stars to get the ball to.

It comes down to health. All these guys have had career years with Tua on the field. Hill, Waddle and especially Smith. When he's hurt, their production is non-existent. Not debatable.

It's availability in the end. If Tua is healthy, these guys are eating and again that's not debatable. The arm strength stuff is just overdone now.

Just another clown with a platform to say nonsensical stuff.

 

Tua was practicing and throwing the last two weeks of the season as witnessed by reporters. He wasn't healthy enough to play, and they shouldn't have needed him to beat the last two opponents. I have no ability to see his medical records, but circumstantial evidence is strong that it wasn't a serious injury.

 

Was his arm strength magically better last year? Cam is a moron. Lol

 

To be fair he wasn't throwing as well at the end of the season as he was at the start. This is just my opinion and I have no real evidence other than my impression from watching. His arm seemed back to Alabama levels of strength at the start of the season. He was driving it better than I have seen as a Dolphin.

 

U13 has said he thinks the same thing. I didn’t notice it. Not saying you’re wrong, but to me he looked the same.

Maybe his head/neck injury was never able to fully heal after the Bills game?

 

I feel for you. Blocking is a good thing :)

 

Dan and Resnor have actually been having nice civil discussions recently. Love is in the air.